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Angel Emfrbl
LaZMMiSY
Dizzyzebra

Weaknesses and Strengths

Okay, so here is the very touchy subject of this, reason being is because it's extremely subjective. Instead of this why not have a "Traits" section where we can put things like whether a voice is nasally or not, so viewers themselves can decide if this is a flaw for them, I've seen nasally a lot on a VOCALOID's weakness and it's not, some people (like me) enjoy nasally voices, it's pretty must all based on taste. 

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Angel Emfrbl
LaZMMiSY
Dizzyzebra
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I've discuss this before Xey with folks. The S/W sections are there because some vocaloids like Sonika suffered prior to having them, whle other like Miku were read as being sparking clean without flaws. Seperating a vocaloids good and bad points seemed to be the only way to break through some folks that all vocaloids had issues.  :-/

We have an explanation page of the issues with S/W, each links to it, its for both reader and editor alike. It was many my hope to open up more discussions for how to improve the sections, while offering a explanation on the problems currently they face so we could refine the sections. And thats as far as things got...

We're not great at discussion things like this though on the wikia... Its kinda the same reason comment sections were opened up, because when we had just discussion pages no one bothered to use them. Its also why one or two folks end up having to make chouices on how to improve the wikia, often the same day the idea is put forward. Bunai, me and adept-eX, as well as our others... We've had this same set of problems over and over again in the last 3 years. Even the One Piece wikia didn't have so much of a problem in its early life and the worst we got was a bias "I'm not translating the 'Marines' to 'Navy'!!!" comment.  :-/

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Also its worth mentioning that traits like "nasally" are not always understood by the fans... Hence why people can criticise Tone Rion and ignore Gakupo because they don't know his voice is nasally too.

not only that but sometimes its not even the samples behind it, this engine is known to alter voices slightly, example... the V1 era were known to the studios to have come out deeper then the providers own vocals were. So sometimes the "trait" the vocaloid produces isn't even its own fault, but just how the engine is treating the vocal. And with updates, changes occur to vocals like the V2 -> V3 imports occur.  :-/

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There are also different types of nasally; one usually good, one usually bad.

Nasality vs Nasal Resonance

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I agree with Train on this one, the Strengths/Weaknesses sections are unbelievably subjective to the one who writes it. I think that the sections should only cover things found within the program itself (like bugs/glitches), and then a separate section for noting "traits" about the voice. The fact that a voice meant to be loud and overpowering has this counted as a weakness makes no sense at all.

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Well... For months, I felt "S/W" should be just a "tl;dr" summery section. But its not gone anywhere because as I said, everythings been have to break it done to its core dumbing down stage. Dumbing things down is not good for our readers, theirs being user friendly and theres treating your readers like stupidity.

http://www.stconline.co.uk/261/reviewzone.html

If you go right down to the bottom of this page, you'll see a "graves/raves" section (ignore all other things on the page, edit: including the rest of the stuff under "Grave/Raves" giving out things like graphics points and all that, we DON'T want that sort of thing and can't do it anyway) thats what I've been wanting to turn S/W into. If S/W can be made to be a short pro/con section, then you and Xey are free to expand on the sections.

I don't have time of day to work the VB sections into past S/W. Just be aware Xey, LaZ, that we've had the problems of the past with readers not being able to see whats great/awful of a vocaloid. The readers must be left to understand that good and bad points of a vocaloid exist.

So there... There is your challenge if you guys want to tackle it. Its not like I can think up anything better. Knowing what I want and being able to get it there are two different things.

Heck this would be easy if we had a professional body universally rated and doing in-depth review of the software, sound on sound magazine hasn't even bothered to do this since Miriam.

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