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Robotic or not Robotic, that's the Question...

I've seen some discussions 'bout the Vocaloid usage.

Some people argue:

  • "Vocaloids must sound robotic, because, if they sound like humans, they'll lose their distinctive quality"
  • "If vocaloids sound like humans, there's no big difference between listen a real singer or a synthetized voice, so, why to listen them?"
  • "Vocaloids were designed to sound different from any real singer. No matter how much you work tuning them, they'll always sound robotic, so, why bother?"


And some people (me included) argue:

  • "Vocaloids are a replacement for those who can't get/afford/hire a real singer, so, they're made to sound as real as possible"
  • "A well used, human-like singing vocaloid will show the difference between good professional producers and just amateur producers"
  • "A realistic vocaloid song show the capabilities of the software, and helps to promote it"


NOTE: I put "well used", not "well tuned". Some Vocaloid songs are intended to sound robotic because of the genre, for example, techno, trance, dubstep... But some others are intended to be "formal genres", for example, operas, ballads and traditional music, and that's the point I'm trying to clear.

What do you think about guyrls?

What do you prefer? Robotic or non-robotic? And why?

.*takes a horse appeared out of nowhere and escapes into the sunset*

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I find that I like them robotic if the producer has done something so that the robotic sound is produced, but not if the vocal itself is robotic. I actually do not find Miku's voice to be naturally robotic (not exactly realistic, either, but robotic is not a descriptor which comes to mins for me), but have heard songs in which her voice has been made to be like a robot. Other vocals, however, such as CUL and Tone Rion, sound robotic to me, even when listening to songs where others have claimed they sound real. I don't like vocals like that, because they always sound robotic to me, and there sounds to be no versatility in the voice.

I like non robotic I just can't come to like LEON, LOLA, Sweet ANN, and BIG AL (it also has something to do with their designs as well) >_< mostly because sometimes it's hard to hear them mostly compared to OLIVER, HIO, AVANNA and MIRIAM (companies are so caps crazy>_>). 

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NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
I like non robotic I just can't come to like LEON, LOLA, Sweet ANN, and BIG AL (it also has something to do with their designs as well) >_< mostly because sometimes it's hard to hear them mostly compared to OLIVER, HIO, AVANNA and MIRIAM (companies are so caps crazy>_>). 

CAPS GRAB ATTENTION!!!!!! Lol, and you aren't requried to use caps when you say their names dude. 

@Lizzcat I'm with you. I like when Porter made Avanna sound robotic, but I don't want vocaloids to intentionally be robotic.

I love both TBH *-* But I prefer non-robotic most of the time. I like it when a VOCALOID sounds like it's about to cry, or at least have a little bit emotion in it's voice. 

By robotic, I meant something like V1s and some VOCALOIDs... but not as robotic/choppy as UTAUs >-< And I hate it when people use Auto-Tune too much, it hurts my ears.

I don't think it's possible for a Vocaloid to be as robotic as the average UTAUloid e_e. 

@Nick It was just an example, and when people tune VOCALOIDs in weird ways + use too much Auto-Tune, it sounds like an "utau a little bit above from the average" >-<

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I can't really explain it but I like it when producers make realistic Vocaloids sound robotic? Because it's like a human singer used autotune and it can sometimes sound pretty cool.

Aonekochan, your reply makes me want Gahata Meiji to be a Vocaloid even more T^T I usually just listen to peopls who tune Vocaloids to sound realistic >_< Sad Machine is the only song I've listened to featuring a Vocaloid that was purposely made to sound robotic ._____. Robinson might as well have just used Miku >_< 

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NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
Aonekochan, your reply makes me want Gahata Meiji to be a Vocaloid even more T^T I usually just listen to peopls who tune Vocaloids to sound realistic >_< Sad Machine is the only song I've listened to featuring a Vocaloid that was purposely made to sound robotic ._____. Robinson might as well have just used Miku >_< 

i actually think it would be a bad idea to make her a vocaloid. She isn't going to sound the same in the vocaloid engine. Her voice change to the point she sounds like another existing vocaloid. I have a guess tho that if she was made a cevio on the otherhand she might sound good/similar. but it might be better to wait till cevio gets an upgrade or two

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Until Vocaloid sounds like a real singer, its roles in music are more limited then most realize. Professional producers can't use vocaloid for certain roles right now.

If you need real emotion or really smooth vocals, there are qualities that vocaloid will only be able to express so far. This is why the "clarity versus other traits" argument I've had for a while is a problem. Power/solid types are more robotic but are more sought after. This is fine, but as I've said with Cyber Diva, it limits her for some genres. She, more then any other Engloid, I feel now needs a "soft" append-esque vocal to help this problem.  :-/

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