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"Why do people hate Hatsune Miku?"

This is something I could've put in a blog but I put it up as more of a disscussion if only because I want it to be a "Discuss the common reasons why people dislike Miku" thread. Anyway this thread derives from the fact that we get a fair number of people here asking this question despite it being explained quite a fair number of times. So Serza is here today to go through the number of reasons why people may hate her (besides obvious and simple reasons like trolling).


FYI : I am not saying that you have to dislike Miku with this thread. The intention is not to change people's opinions on Miku but to give a better understanding as to why people dislike her even if you do.


1) Producers use her too much/She has too many songs. This is the most common reasoning you'll find to this. Sure enough Miku's fame is what brought VOCALOID into the light, as well as providing companies inspiration to make their own VOCALOIDs. Despite this there is no denying that Miku even to this day has an overwhelming amount of original songs to her name that is far to superior to not only overseas vocals or unpopular Japanese vocals, but even when compared to some of the other more popular VOCALOIDs. But it's especially because she overshadows the lesser known/popular VOCALOIDs that people get frustrated with her. The majority of the time fans do understand that this isn't directly Miku's fault, some of them might even still like her voice anyway, but they'll still be annoyed with the overwhelming amount of Miku songs being made while they wait for their favourite VOCALOID to actually receive an original.


2) She's too popular/Fans give her too much attention. Being the reason why 1) happens, this is a fairly common reason too. As mentioned she is the one who brought VOCALOID to fame and naturally her fame rose as well. The issue people have with this is not the fact that it happened, but the fact that even to this day it has not died down, which in turn corresponds with this idea that she overshadows over VOCALOIDs (Which I keep mentioning but will talk about more in depth later). There is always going to be one that's more popular than the other, there is no denying or changing that fact. But people are annoyed with the fact that Miku has always been on top and there's not even a slight shift in her popularity. Again it's not so much the fact she's there but the lack of variety when it comes to what's popular bothers people; even if there is a newly hyped and popular VOCALOID they are usually set aside after a while for it to return to Miku.


3) She's oversahdowed. I've mentioned this a few times already but let me explain now why overshadowing is an issue. I'm going to take this in it's own points :

  • The overshadowed VOCALOID does not get as much promotional material as the more popular one, as it is more worthwhile for a company to promote the one which will bring more money.
  • The likely hood of the overshadowed VOCALOID getting updates is slim, if at all, because it is more worthwhile to the company to simply make a new VOCALOID.
  • A VOCALOID overshadowing another could completely wreck the overshadowed VOCALOID's sales if they are released in the same time frame.
  • Worst case scenario is that if a VOCALOID is so overshadowed and lacks sales the company could stop producing VOCALOIDs, even if they've only released one.

Is this all Miku's fault? No it's not, but in most cases this is the impact she has brought upon the companies attitudes towards VOCALOIDs, even if she herself didn't directly do it.

To sum up here :

  • People dislike her fame more than her. As a result they take it out on the character, while acknowledging she is not the direct cause of it.
  • There is nothing wrong with appreciating Miku's popularity and the positive traits it's given to VOCALOID, however it is important to acknowledge that it also has some equally naegative traits.
  • You can like Miku, but it is important to understand that people dislike her and the reasons why they do so.


Additional reasons :

4) Her voice is too cute/annoying/unappealing. There are many people who are put off by Miku's voice, simply because they personally aren't attracted to her voice type. Similary there are people who don't introduce potential fans with Miku because she can be a turn off to VOCALOID as a whole. On top of this high pitched voices like hers can even physically hurt people's ears (not because they think she sounds that awful but because the ringing in their ears can cause headaches, i'm no professional on such conditions but there's a fair bunch of people here who can tell you it happens to them).


5) Her design is too cute/moe. Beleive it or not there are VOCALOID fans who aren't fans of anime. At it's core VOCALOID is a voice synthesier for creating songs and people can be drawn in just for that sole reason. Naturally then they can find a design unappealing because it incorporates many common anime design tropes (Despite how original you think her design is she was designed with having anime elements in mind). Of course they can ignore the design since it's "the voice that matters" but no matter how you look at it the character is part of the product so you can't just detatch the character from the voice just like that.

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MeerkatQueen wrote:
I deleted the image because it was an image that did not belong on the wiki. Images have to have no relation to articles are counted as spam. Please link to personal images on personal image hosts such as imigur or giphy.

Ok Meerkat thank you on the advice...

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So lots people say Miku is cutest, Miku is the most popular Vocaloid, Miku is the best,... But nobody said she has the best voice =))))))))))))))))))))))))

Oh please, we LISTEN to music, not WATCH to music! >:|

I think Gumi should be the best Vocaloid. Maybe her desigh is not very beautiful, but her voice is most perfect. It's a true :333 Unfortunately, she isn't really famous...

And sorry, my Englissh is really really bad *cry*

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Well the issue is defining what is "the best" vocaloid. For example, in Vocaloid2 the best quality Vocaloid in English was considered Prima, and for opera there was no vocaloid who could compete with her. But she was really hard to use outside of opera. Meanwhile, sweet Ann who was a MQ vocaloid had could be more useful for more songs as her vocal have a lot of flexibility. She could sound innocent or sexy (which is why I hate the boxart bias) and was actually the overall best vocaloid for general use.

As a former fan of Gumi, I can say she is also far from perfect. Her voicebank has been great cleaned up over time and they've added more, but the voice range and tempo are basically the same no matter what voicebank you use. So there is often not much difference between owning voicebanks based on her. Meanwhile Miku's current 5 vocals have specific reasons for using each voice, their tempos and ranges make one a pick over the others for a some. They give very different results based on which vocal is used while Gumi more or less is the same no matter what vocal you use.

Many of the newer vocaloid since V3 and V4 have larger voice ranges and tempos also overall, and at times Miku and Gumi are held back by their V2 voicebank creation era. One advantage Gumi has though is being part of the massive XSY group "Internet" while Miku is part of the "Miku V4x" XSY group which contains only her V3 and V4 vocals. Though she has a English XSY group and Gumi doesn't, we must note since July AHS have created a English XSY group for Macne Nana. This means there is potential for a XSY group for English to grow much larger then anything Miku can offer. And plus, Miku's English advantage isn't too far from Luka, but out of the two she has the greater in English as Luka's two vocals are copy and pastes of the same results... Therefore barely count for much. ¬_¬'

As I mentioned, Gumi 's vocal range and tempo haven't changed since V2 at all... Miku's .vocal ranges of all voicebanks, in contrast, have been slowly increasing over time with a few new keys added here and there to some vocals. So Miku improves each generation, while Gumi just adds more voicebanks.

Miku has also had no other vocaloid sound the same as her as of yet. Whereas Gumi has fallen into the "common vocal" type group which a lot of vocaloids who are female are a part of sadly. The closet is likely VY1 who often sounds like a more mature Miku but has an accent Miku doesn't. The other cutesy vocals either end up mid-range or too childish or cutesy. So for Miku, Miu is one of the "unique" sounding vocal types... I'm sure that will change though sooner or later.

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117.1.203.62 wrote:
So lots people say Miku is cutest, Miku is the most popular Vocaloid, Miku is the best,... But nobody said she has the best voice =))))))))))))))))))))))))

Oh please, we LISTEN to music, not WATCH to music! >:|

I think Gumi should be the best Vocaloid. Maybe her desigh is not very beautiful, but her voice is most perfect. It's a true :333 Unfortunately, she isn't really famous...

And sorry, my Englissh is really really bad *cry*

No Vocaloids are perfect. I like and dislike Miku at the same time. Still, to me, I liked the others like Meiko for mature feminine voice. Gumi for achieving platinum badge (2nd place), yet Miku is in diamond (1st place). And yes, I do agree with you with overloaded fandom on Miku. I told my reason for the dislike.

-UberMillennium RailgunPro (can't use FB in school for login)....

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Angel Emfrbl wrote:
Well the issue is defining what is "the best" vocaloid. For example, in Vocaloid2 the best quality Vocaloid in English was considered Prima, and for opera there was no vocaloid who could compete with her. But she was really hard to use outside of opera. Meanwhile, sweet Ann who was a MQ vocaloid had could be more useful for more songs as her vocal have a lot of flexibility. She could sound innocent or sexy (which is why I hate the boxart bias) and was actually the overall best vocaloid for general use.

As a former fan of Gumi, I can say she is also far from perfect. Her voicebank has been great cleaned up over time and they've added more, but the voice range and tempo are basically the same no matter what voicebank you use. So there is often not much difference between owning voicebanks based on her. Meanwhile Miku's current 5 vocals have specific reasons for using each voice, their tempos and ranges make one a pick over the others for a some. They give very different results based on which vocal is used while Gumi more or less is the same no matter what vocal you use.

Many of the newer vocaloid since V3 and V4 have larger voice ranges and tempos also overall, and at times Miku and Gumi are held back by their V2 voicebank creation era. One advantage Gumi has though is being part of the massive XSY group "Internet" while Miku is part of the "Miku V4x" XSY group which contains only her V3 and V4 vocals. Though she has a English XSY group and Gumi doesn't, we must note since July AHS have created a English XSY group for Macne Nana. This means there is potential for a XSY group for English to grow much larger then anything Miku can offer. And plus, Miku's English advantage isn't too far from Luka, but out of the two she has the greater in English as Luka's two vocals are copy and pastes of the same results... Therefore barely count for much. ¬_¬'

As I mentioned, Gumi 's vocal range and tempo haven't changed since V2 at all... Miku's .vocal ranges of all voicebanks, in contrast, have been slowly increasing over time with a few new keys added here and there to some vocals. So Miku improves each generation, while Gumi just adds more voicebanks.

Miku has also had no other vocaloid sound the same as her as of yet. Whereas Gumi has fallen into the "common vocal" type group which a lot of vocaloids who are female are a part of sadly. The closet is likely VY1 who often sounds like a more mature Miku but has an accent Miku doesn't. The other cutesy vocals either end up mid-range or too childish or cutesy. So for Miku, Miu is one of the "unique" sounding vocal types... I'm sure that will change though sooner or later.

Interesting facts, I didn't know anything about it. And the part "Gumi's vocal range never changes since V2", this may not fit on some speedy songs like Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu. I also agree that "there's no such thing as perfect Vocaloid"

-UberMillennium RailgunPro

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I've seen people think a voclaoid is overall the best or perfect. Reality is a perfect vocaloid would be able to do anything flawlessly all while not even being mistaken for a machine. Since none can, this means all vocaloid are far from perfect. But honestly? The idea of a "perfect" voclaoid is really, really boring to me. I look back on the vocaloids and see the strengths and weakness as really interesting.

Most of Hatsune Miku's songs are garbage
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PokemonDude21 wrote: Most of Hatsune Miku's songs are garbage

That'd be on the producer(s) themselves, not the Hatsune Miku software herself.

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Though I don't like Miku, I have to agree with Meerkat on this one.

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You can give a producer the best Vocaloid we have... If they can't use it... Not Miku is the best, her quality varies per engine from LQ to HQ depending on the circumstances.

There are a lot of producers who think their better skilled then they are... I met one recent who can't mix vocals but swears their good.

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