All posts by Angel Emfrbl

@Bunai Di honestly I think the issue is whenever I try to discuss hings look what happens? Everyone gets on my case and no one really wnts to talk,. It is upsetting that5 my entire points are ignored. I've not got much to say except, look... We can talk about this all day, the voclaoid wiki isn't run by me, I just see a sad state of affairs, not how literally almost every other wiki is on Fandom and get told I'm a child, shut up, etc. I can do nothing, respond by stating the obivous, get ignoed. People will complain aout me, and nothing is done. Its the way6 it is, and I've been trying to rarely act with everyone for a reason. But it won't change that this is a oddball wiki and everyone will just say I'm saying there is an issue that is not.

Well, there is an issue with the way the Vocaloid wiki is right now but I'm tired of pointing outwhat the problem is in the fandom and that the Vocaloid wiki isn't really a Vocaloid wiki when it suits everyone. Its rare I speak up, I've had my say and haven't actually got much else to say. Once again everyone will gang up and silence me so... What am I suppose to do?

*shrugs* It;'s what the fandom wants. not what I want, I've been here long enough and I'm honestly not stupid but... I'd never deam this fandom would hate me for just saying "wse're the Vocaloid wiki shoudln't we stick on topic?". Thats it.

@Keychainzz! I'm not acting like a child, I'm actually trying to poiint out a serious issue thats going on for a while and no one likes what I have to say, even though its the same for literallyu 99% of all of Fandoms wikis. It does make me depressed but you don't see me constantly talk about these things anymore, this is rare I've come to discuss THIS much on a topic for a while.

This is my issues, whenever I raise a point about things, I get to ld to shut up, which I gather is kinda what is going on. No matter any valid poitns I'll raise here; no one is listening nor agreeing their valid points and its been this way for 6 years.

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I acknowledge this, my references to Japan are a contrast to the west and a note of how different we are. The issue ios that our fandom kinda is a backpeddle off of the Japanese one, most fans are anime or manga fans. But we don't follow their trends. But this is the issue as they've matured and moved on while many things in western fandoms are disconnected to the point fans still act a certain way. I'm not the only one to note it.

Adding to the VO forums, what people want when they ask us to disucss UTAU is to fall back onto the 2010 fandom, because the early 2010s was when the vocal synths began to split but the western fandom didn't react to this happening in Japan. So instead they shoe-horned UTAU and Vocaloid in, now they ALWAYS want to do it, depsite it being ean entire decade later after the pslit was already occurring. I know this is because of overlaps but... This is getting old, the divide is gtting bigge rnow CeVIO and Synth V is happening and its fine to like multiple synths, no one shoudl sya "stick with one" because thats unfair, unreasonsible, etc. This doesn't impact us if we choose to stay on-topic at all. It just means we dont' give into the out o fdate fandom who wants all vocal synths to be centralised around Vocaloid in an era when Vocaloid is just another synth...

It's fine if people want to reply to both this wiki and the other synth wiki, but if they receive no answers at all at those other wikis for whatever reason, I don't think Vocaloid wiki should complain about them coming here for answers or activity either. This just contributes to the bs and fictional idea that "Vocaloid fans and UTAU fans don't like each other and war with each other all the time" or something like that. This is something that YouTubers sometimes throw in in their videos, which isn't something that happens. It makes synth fans angry more than anything else because it's misinformative of what the community is and how we treat each other. I'd rather not contribute to that idea.

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But the problem is often they don't reply to both. I don't contribute anything to that BS because even I don't want a "us and them", what I'm saying is that the UTAU, Ce4VIO and Synth V fandoms have a right to their own identity both as part of the vocal synth communitity AND their own. They share some of Vocaloids, but shouldn't be shoe-horned into ours all the time. You have people who call even now every vocal synth a "vocaloid" thats how bad things get. None of this is about that, this is about how Vocaloid fans can accidently steal some spotlight from UTAU and so fourth communities.

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And I'll put this forward: why hadn't this stopped Vocaloid Otaku Forums from talking about other synths? Utaforums exist. Why should people have been allowed to talk about UTAU there? Probably because they don't see it as an issue. A good handful of Vocaloid fans in VO used UTAU too and they liked to share their creative ideas.

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VO forums doesn't exist and was originally open to other things. VO was a joint Vocaloid and Touhou forum (if I recall it was Touhou, I rem,ember it being discussed that it was a joint communitity originally but I entered late 2009 after it split so I missed that era), before it split and started out with a lot of the UTAU stuff shoe-horned into its communitity, because VO forums started out as a 2008ish forum. They ditced the Touhou stuff and focused ont eh Vocaloid side, but also discussed UTAU. However, by mid-2010s was becoming more split, UTAU had its own section of the forum seperate from the Vocaloid communitity. Still you missed the point; we are and never were VO fourms. In fact this wiki originally housed ll vocal synths but the UTAU wiki split from us inlate 2009/early 2010 before I came along and most of us, Teto was all that was left and the UTAU article and the rest went over to the UTAU wiki. Dig deep enough on the wikis deleted pages; you'll find the UTAUs that once were here. The main reason for the wsplit was just as I said; UTAU got an identity by mid-2010 and it needed its own communitity, so it already took a side step from us.

You are missing some history here, either way; We are not VO forums and they closed in 2018 and they did see an issue; they just resolved it by splitting everything. VO forusm also started to mock derivatives and at like they were "so 2009" so you couldn't have picked a WORST example, because towards the end, VO forums was at times elitist. VO is a lousy example.

I also want to bring up that Vocaloid has been overlapping with the other synths for a while. IA is on CeVIO and so is Yukari. Miku is on NT (which I'm still highly disagreeing on also policing people from talking about Miku here when she was once a Vocaloid and therefore has content on this wiki). I'm not going to bring up the whole "Vocaloid is dead" thing because I know everyone hates it, so it's not about that. But we can't ignore that companies are moving on from Vocaloid or expanding upon others because they maybe still want to be on it. People come here to find that out, and even if so, if they want to talk about those characters, they should be allowed to without getting hit with "Well Miku is not a vocaloid anymore" and derail the whole thread.

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Well the problem is we referred to the mascots as the Vocaloid, but the software was Vocaloid. Thats were things went wrong, even Japan said a couple of years ago when it was first announced, there is building a general sense that Vocaloid has been so attached to Miku that getting used to the mascots transcending software was a sudden real thing. I might be able to find the Japanese fan blogs that discussed this, but they know Miku is no longer a Vocaloid. This doesn't change that V2-V4x WERE the Miku Vocaloid era, but Miku herself isn't. As far as Yamaha is concerned, it only cares about Vocaloid too, so it has nothing to do with CeVIO Yukari. O.o

The mascots are not really the "vocaloid" part of this anymore, but we're so used to assoicating them with Vocaloid that its odd now in 2021 to accept there is an overlap. But, we also need to accept that IA, flower, Yukair, Miku, etc just aren't full Vocaloids. That means that some things here will be related to Vocaloid, but CeVIO or Piapro wikis will have things related to the SAME character. The problem is for us, as fans... This is all new and its hard to grasp. This is alien to us and we need to get used to it; Vocaloid isn't the only vocal synth on the market and some characters are now in multiple software. I mean, its like Sonic the Hedgehog fans after SEGA stopped doing hardware had to get used to the idea the blue hedgehog could be on an Nintendo machine, it was dodd as I grew up in the console wars of the 80s and 90s and to me... It was an odd idea. But its been almost two decades and now I've moved on myself. We'll get used to this in time. ^_^

I guess half the problem is literally just... Thin of each Vocal synth as being like a console I guess and each Vocaloid like a game cartiridge. MNo idea how else to phrase it. O.o

"Miku is not a Vocaloid" doesn't derail a tread, its a relaity snap as people react though as though NT is like Vocaloid software. Its a vocal synth but itws not Vocaloid unless CFM says so. I'm not pretending that Vocaloid and Miku aren't the same thing anymore and there are plenty of fans in denial or sdon't realise ti. ITs like the whole "Len is the best Vocaloid" stuff we have had, eventually we fgigured out the best way to tackle this issue and things are blunt. O.o

(edit: I mean "I think Miku is the best Vocaloid!" is a weak statement in a time when NT was released as not a Voclaoid and Miku looks like she's packed her bags for good. Again this goes back to us not being able to let go of the idea of Miku being a Vocaloid, she was, nothing changes V2-V4x still work on Vocaloids that allow them and they sell, but Miku's gone from Vocaloid as of 2019 and that means no more future Vocaloid Miku, Vocaloid is in her past).

None of this behavior is welcoming and TBH this is one of the reasons why people complain so much about this wiki. It's the behavior that feels unwelcoming, hence why it "feels" like gatekeeping. Taking the term "gatekeeping" too literal is close-minded. It's evolved to just more than "you're not a real fan if" and conditions. That's just only part of it or one branch of the meaning at this point.

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I don't think we're gatekeeping at all to say "this is the Vocaloid wiki guys...", this literally happens in every other wiki except ours and for some reason there is resistence to the idea we should be on-topic more. I disagree to the idea of it being so-on topic we can't do things like compare versions. But I think it should be acknowledged at least that you don't come to the Vocaloid wiki to expect to discuss another synth. Again, you can compare this to a host of other wikis, One Piece, sonic the hedgehog, Street fighter, Mortal Kombat, Marvel... Unless we're talking about a cross over or "who would win... Goku or Superman"? style question, its going to be like that. And this is literally altright, theres no gatekeeping at all involved. Its as I said, common sense, logical and to the point. O.o

Heck this isn't a complaint topic, its just question as to why wanting a explaining of the situation. The answer should be "because this is the Vocaloid wiki, not the UTAU, etc" wiki and thats it.... Instead you're saying that we shoudlnt' take the "vocaloid" part in at all, but if thats the case... Why did we make a general synth wiki and whats the point of being a specialist wiki??? O.o

And I'll say this one thing: If you're saying "I don't think anyone expects UTAU, other synth on this wiki", then you seem to not know this community very well at all. Vocal synth is very deeply intertwined.

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This isn't the case, yes, it was literal in 2009 but in 2021 this is slowly being not the case. Yes a lot of influence came from Vocaloid, but each Synth is now breaking away from Vocaloid and 'vocaloids doesn't have the sway on the vocal synth community as it used to. Again there are now UTUA fans, CeVIO fans, etc who never touched Vocaloid, this is how the state is. There are also plenty of fans who prefer one synth over another and are fans of the other synths but no longer like Vocaloid. You can be a fan of Vocaloid and other synths, but other synths aren't a fan of our synth as much anymore. YEs Vocaloid is still the most well knwon and famous, but... Thats like saying that SEGA was a great console company... ITs 2021 and Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft now compete while SEGA fell out of the market and with it took all their market share. The vocal synth moarket is now CeVIO, UTAU, Vocaloid and Synth V, thats a lot more then in 2010 when it was just Vocaloid and UTAU. And even then UTAU was stilling to pull away by 2010 and get its own identity. the western fandom took longer because often trends in a country are faster to adjust then inside that origin country.

I mean again, there are fans who think Vocaloid is only the CFM lot, not even knowing that they've left Vocaloid. This is how discconnected and a mess of the fandom is when it comes to overseas and outside Japan. Thinnk of 2009 when Engloids were being basd-mouthed and how it took years to counter some of those 2009 claims of inferiority. This is the western Vocaloid fandom, ina nutshell. Vocal synth tech fell out of favouritism in 2013/2014 and it took 2-3 years or so to feel that impact, with V5 being the generation where people had it sink in... Hence the "Vocaloid is dead" routine. And we're so disconnected we don't even rhave acknowledgement from half of the people that Vocaloid is still going strong, its just the craze is long over.

I've got more of a grasp of the situation then you realise Viper.

Vocaloid is what most people know, to the point that they eventually become interested in the others. And part of that is the overlapping from the companies themselves once they start to branch out. If it weren't' for Vocaloid, UTAU and Synth V really would not be a thing. It's an inspiration for the other synthesizers. Should the other wikis have attention? Yes, absolutely. But alienating people from here isn't the answer either.

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But this happens with other wikis... I mean a One Piece fan starts out as a One Piece fan due to tits popularity, which happened to me and then gets interested in other S.Jump magazine manga and anime from the same sourc,e but the One Piece wiki still is specialised in One Piece, Dragonball wiki Dragonball, etc. Its not that there isn't overlaps, there always will be because fans of one thing so slide into related things. I like My Little Pony, for example and I G1, so it was easy for me to slide into G4 and now G5. ITs because something similair is familair to someone and thus they understand, comprehend and can eat it up quicker. Its like the theory of learning multiple langauges, once you do learning others becomes easier. So, its natural and fine, but... I don't see why the Vocaloid wiki shouldn't stick on topic, its fine to say "you know theres a UTAU wiki, maybe you shoudl discuss this there" for that reason. A motorcyclist repair guy might not know how a car works, but a car has some of the same theories and can do some repairs to a car if he can repair a motorcycle and vice versa. But there are difference sbtween 2 and 4 wheels still despite both being motorised transport.

Lets keep this friendly, no snapping at each other like last time. ^_^

Ah, Mechanical pencils are mostly used for precision drawing, in short you use them when you need a ruler and a set square job, or are finalising the picture. ;-)

The type thats considered more useful is a "clutch pencil", it holds different leads while being the same as a normal HB or 2B lead pencil. They don't teach kids or newbie artists this and I took until uni to learn this stuff, which is in my opinion a really bad idea. They need to tell highschool students this stuff. Its amazing what the right equiptment allows. >_<

Its a bit off topic to criticise art and the way its taught but I understand there is no flashing lights saying "you need a putty rubber!" half the time, since all people start out with is a bog-standard HB pencil as often you buy one for something like 50p by UK currency. I can literally get 3 of these for £1 min. A clutch pencil? It cost £6 without leads... And you can't get them out of a post office. O.o'

Its another way of CFM expoiting Miku, CFM finds its ways to sell you Miku and its just another one of their marketing schemes.

CFM is like this.

Anyway, good image, I think the eyes may be too big, and the right eye has no room for it. I'd make the fringe fluffer but thats me.

Its a decent drawing and remains me a bit of Gumi's artstyle.

Gosh, jealous of some of the art work thats been on here lately, brings me back to my highschool days where this sort of thing never got enough prauise and a lot of artists didn't continue their talent. I think it just needs a bit ore work here and there but I understand that its source material is like this so my points are moot. ^_^

I've been to art university and seen how you don't need talent to be an artist... And hoenstly... Your art is cool, you've already beaten the skils of 85% of my former class mates, which is great for you. You shouldn't feel unconfident lets put it this way; this is good and better then many degree holders.

I'm sorry this sounds cheesy, I don't get to respond often to art topics and I did today. I rarely get to sit down and look at these topics with enough time. I like to enocurage everyone to keep at it.

My only note is that you may have gone too heavy on the pencil, I could understand that photo, etc and you'd need it to show up on camera. But my adivce; go softer on the pencil, treat it like a delicate flow, build up boldness not start bold. Makes it easier to correct things. I don't know what type of pencil you use but a quick work around is a 2B as they have softer leads and are easier to rub out, produce a darker line while requiring less pressure . Its hard to comment as I don't know what pencil you have use of to begin with. O.o

It's not a rule but... If you post here you ain't supporting the other wikis. Those wikis are st4ruggling right now and need the support even if things aren't answered for weeks, at least you added to their content.

Plus because the people here are mostly Vocaloid fans, they may not respond. Yes, there is overlap with other synths but the only thing about this wiki is that most of us, say 98% are Vocaloid fans. There may be only 45% UTAU fans, 15% CeVIO fans or 10% Synth V fans, so the majority of the wiki... Simply won't be interested.

Also Viper's talking about me, since I do complain, but I'm concerned about the state of the other wikis. When you go to the One Piece wiki, its rare for others to talk about other manga because you know, its the One Piece wiki. Same elsewhere. True its an open platform but... If no one talks about Voclaoid here then you've got a problem. Its also the same argum,went for every other wiki. I don't think anyone expects a UTAU or CeVIO, Synth V, etc discussion here, but we DO all expect Vocaloid discussions. It's basically a bit of common sense. This is why a lot of wikis ban the talk of other subjects to a degree, you might get a general "Aside from One Piece, what other manga/anime are you into?" disucssion on the OP wiki but... If you visit their disucssion, you'll see that they literally never discusssion non-One Piece stuff. And its not just those wikis, hundreds of wikis stick to this, but when you come to this wiki, its not the case.

Part of the problem is for a long time most Voclaoid synth fans have been collectively assoicating all synths with Vocaloid, as part of the same communitity. Howeve, in the last ddecade with the raise of CeVIO and other synths, in Japan alone their seperating. This does not mean we have to, but you now have producers that use CeVIO but never touch Voclaoid for example,. Their not the same software and not all Vocal synths are Vocaloid. There is a building sense of self-identity and CeVIO users want not to be instantly snapped in always with Vocaloid, this was happening already with UTAU un 2010, some UTAU producers didn't always want to be snapped in with Vocaloid users. UTAU isn't as popular as it was... But this trend haan't broken with the western fandoms.

Its like the insistence of Neru and Haku being also assoicated with Voclaoid, when their not. Their assoicated with CFM, Yamaha refused to deal with derivatives. The sad reality is, we, as Vocaloid fans DO lump everything together.

Either way, it DOES make common sense, like with all wikis that most here will be talking about Vocaloid and that if you want to disucss say UTAU, thats fine but... You're better off at the UTAU wiki since thats a specialised wiki. This is the problem, and by talking about UTAU, CeVIO and Synth V, we ARE constantly stealing potential discussions from those wikis. They need to build a commounitity too.

When we think of a 'general talk', we don't think of a specific talk in most wikis, we think more of a random subject thats entirely different. Like "whats everyones favourite coffee" if you want to talk about them falling into general talk stuff.

Look I know this is directed at me, but this is literally the only wiki that does this in all of my 20 years of being on the wiki systems. I'm 1 wikian so I don't care, but I am concerned about all vocal synth wikis and I know how we could hurt them. And yes, I know your argument Viper is "how can we hurt them, their 'dead' " but the reality is, their not. People still edit them, their just not talking. And we can hurt that. I get it, Vocaloid is popular more so then UTAU, CeVIO, etc, I mean voiceroid is more popualr then Vocaloid at times, but... The Voiceroid wiki doesn't get much attention. Never has done. Thats not the point.

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Also I'm not looking to start a row or even a fight here, but its not Gatekeeping at all.

Gatekeeping would be "you aren't a true fan Vocaloid if you disuccss UTAU here!" which is something I'd never do. I'm aying its not a bad idea to be topic specialised.

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I'm just going to say it;

Gatekeeping is when you put a CONDITION on something thats not needed, like "you're not a true fan if you like x" or "your not a true fan if you've not been here 5 years or can't neame every minor character". It is intended to shut down disucssions on a topic with other people on that same topic and restrict talk while inserting authrity, i.e. if this is the Vocaloid fandom, the gatekeeping here is basically saying noobs jhave to know more then CFM for example before they can respond. ITs okay to say on a wiki we should stick to the topic at hand, because its just expected of any wiki. Its not gatekeeping to say "this is the Vocaloid wiki, we kinda expect most disucssions to be on that subject".

In this case, it is never gatekeeping because its kinda expected. If you want to try and see how some other wikis react, try making a topic at the Harry Potter wiki or One Piece wiki, the Star Trek wiki, etc that isn't related to them, and see how they react. I mean I just as I typed this opened up Memory-Alpha and M<emory-BEta, the Star Trek wikis and tho and behold both have mostly Trekkie topics, the only one that isn't is a "hi I'm new" which is fine too.

We have rules related to fanart and fanfiction, its best you ask first.

Normally this is restraint to blogs.

I'll ask.

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It should be the same rules for fanart as fanfiction, asked someone to make them clear.

The sad reality is rthat Miku has left Vocaloid.

I think the only issue I have with NT is since its not Voclaoid I simply don't care for it. Not because its not Vocaloid but because its not that good, the design is fine but... Something makes it feel like Miku is younger then the other designs.

Original Miku wasn't that good as a voicebank, but it represents the era, the design has a broken neck area so makes me cringe.

The rest are just fine. V3 and V4 as voicebanks are a divided products as one has XSY and gwl, but lack two voicebanks the other has.

You didn't include non-main designs, but I think Chinese Miku had the most balance, while appealing to the fact its a chincese voicebank so its design reflects that. But the voicebank was kinda bad.

The technology so "other"

@Bedaflow I think at 37, theres not a single song that relates to me or I relate to since everything is complicated and changing. Right now I'm helping my fiancé leave home, this was myself 10 years ago and my brother a year ago. The status quo, mood and emotions all change rapidly every year and sometimes every month. Life cannot be defined by a single song unless that song is made to fit a particular persons life.

Thus, I find many songs are better then a single song, ergo I listen to songs I like and not because I related to them or they relate to me.

I often thin relatablity of a song is more of a thing teenagers and young adults do because...Well... For them life is a lot less complicated, not as many things are there and emotional moments "here" and "then" are more notable. When you have 2 decades of life experience, its not the same as double that. :-O

So I am aware that some vocaloids such as piko have been discontinued however can someone explain what's going on in general.

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Okay Vocaloid is a software and the "Vocaloids" are various singers/sound libraries produced by various companies for the software. Piko was made for the Vocaloid 2 version of the software, and his discontinuation is lined to the retirement of both V2 and the there being no more copies left of him. We're on Vocaloid5, expecting V6 within the 2022 year range, so his very old and dated.

Note: "Vocaloid" is often misue.In truth each singer isn't a "Vocaloid". Their actually called a "Vocaloid software plug-in voice sound library database", often we say they are a"Vocaloid" and their library is a "Voicebank" because that's a mouthful.

Note 2: In regard to the singer's avatars... They are that "avatars". This is why calling them "Vocaloid" is an error. The "Vocaloid" part is the software, not the singer's avatar itself. This is notable because "Vocaloids" like flower, IA, Yukari, and Miku( plus the other CFM vocals) are now in multiple software and only their voicebanks in Vocaloid count as "vocaloid". I

I've heard things about piapro studio and the cryptonloids being discontinued. So here are some of my questions

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Piapro Studio is a new software by Crypton Future Media, one of the companies that produced Vocaloids.They made Kaito V3,Meiko V3, all versions of Miku, the Kagamines and Luka. They have since pulled out of Vocaloid and are making their own softeware mostly for money reasons. The new "NT" versions as they are called are not Vocaloids, only the V1-V4 versions are Vocaloid software. Sadly the definition of "Vocaloid" is black and white. CFM still sells older versions for a time being.

What vocaloids are discontinued exactly?

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Old engine versions are retired. Vocaloids are released in serial code batches. Once the version is retired Yamaha no longer sells batches of serial codes. Thus a Vocaloid then is "retired" when it runs out of codes on sale. For example, say there is 1,000 per batch, when a version of the engine is retired, that particular Vocaloid has 283 codes left available for consumer sales. Thus, only 283 people will be able to get hold of the software before it becomes retired entirely. Once this occurs there will be no more sales of that vocaloid voice library.

Basically, the retired ones are all the V1 + V2 range, V3-V5 are active. Theres is not much else to note. Look at our pages regarding those engines. There may be a few copies floating on sale but... For the most part with the retirement of the engines, their days are numbered.

Can you still purchase vocaliods from previous updates like Oliver Kaito or flower?

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So long as you can find copies, yes. However, for retired ones thats a second-hand market job

What is piapro studio?

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Crypton Future Media new software

What is cevio?

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Another vocal synth like Vocaloid, a rival and the second most successful one after Vocaloid as far as we know. It handles both singing and speaking results.

Is Vocaloid discontinued in general?

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Yamaha calls all its voice synth tech "Vocaloid", and its AI variant "Vocaloid:ai", so no.

Edit: Note: BAsically post V5, because there are less voicebanks being made and Vocaloid interest has waned, people have been doom and gloom with over reacting fans going "Vocaloid is dead". In addition CeVIO and Synth V (another vocal synth engine) have become active. Those 2 engines are nowhere near Vocaloids popularity nor are they competing per say, but CeVIO is a good second contender in Japan and Synth V is getting noticed in the west + china. We've had 3 years of people going off on their rocker about Vocaloid being dead, don't believe them. What happened was that the Vocaloid craze came to an end in 2013/2014 and we've been in a spiral since. 2020 was a good year though and best since 2013. However, once you have fans putting something down, you never get them to shut up. The main reason CeVIO and Synth V aren't yet 100% competitive with Vocaloid is basically that Vocaloid has too many producers using the software. Vocaloid isn't dead until the last song is sung and thats not any time soon. We're talking about a software that get 4000 songs per month at least while CeVIO gets some 400 and Synth V is lucky to get 100+. UTAU isn't even competing anymore due to a severe dropped in popularity and its getting more than these two sometimes. At least CeVIO and Synth V compete because of sales are trickling in. I'm adding this in because if there is one thing that urks me with Vocaloid fans, its their attitude right now. Vocaloid was originally going to be private and Yamaha still can do that, but that won't mean Vocaloid is dead even then.

I know these seem to be simple but I just got into this fandom in June and am so confused.

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ITs okay, no one expects anyone to know everything it takes time to learn things. ^_^

My advice as a veteran fan is just know when to quit Vocaloid. I know it sounds like a odd advice but... Hear me out.

I've been a fan since 2009, owned Lola in 2004. The longer you stay in the fandom, the more it drains you. And certain conditions will drain you faster.

If you don't interact with fans and remain remain obvious to the drama... You'll enjoy it the most, if you get involved with the fandom, sooner or later you'll get involved in drama. We get 1 or 2 big dramas a year. So be careful where you venture.

You'll find most fans stick to about 100 songs and about 10 producers, there are thousands of songs covering all Vocaloids. Many producers have long since quit and your looking at a fandom thats on recovery. Miku's left Vocaloid for good so our most famous Vocaloid and her creware gone.

Vocaloids not dead, but its popularity is over, and a lot of the fans are now giving other Vocaloids a chance. However, those Vocaloids like Flower... Are also leaving for CeVIO. 2020 was Vocaloids most popular year since 2013, but whatever and whichever way you look at the fandom, you see how worn the cogs are.

This is not someone trying to put you off being here, just telling you what to expect and how best to enjoy things. Make friend, get a circle, but if drama happens, get out while you can and focus on the music only. IT will save you a lot of hassle.

IT comes off his body at the side so... ITs not really a tail...

None, I think I'm past the age I care about if they relate tome or not... I just care if I like the song or not. O.o

When it comes to using a new VOCALOID, would you all recommend jumping straight into music-making or maybe play around with the voicebank by making covers and such to get used to it? I want my final songs to sound good, so is getting used to using the voicebank by just playing around with it like this a good way to get started?

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Have a plan in your head. Music lessons are essential, as is a DAW too. Covers will only take you so far and can have issues with copyright depending on cover. Dontbuy Japanese Vocaloids, Chinese, Spanish or Korean unless you know the language, if you must look at bilinguals first as at least you have English if Japanese fails you. I don't know what languages you know, but people often buy Japanese vocaloids because they view Vocaloid as a toy, then get bored of it later making it a waste of time and money.

Second question, does VOCALOID 5 come with any software that makes instrumental tracks? Right now, I only have GarageBand on my phone lol, and I'm NOT LOOKING TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY on professional music-making software for my instrumental tracks if VOCALOID 5 doesn't come with such features.

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No. IT comes with 4 vocals, you need a DAW for instrumentals.

There are freebie software you'll have to explore, so there is hope but I can't think of any off my head.

Vocaloid does have a Mobile version

https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_VOCALOID_Editor

My only other peice of advice is don't expect instant popularity or success.

https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/Vocaloid_Wiki:Sandbox/First_steps_into_Vocaloid

I once wrote this, it may be a bit outdated but here you go.

The fandom isn't that chilled, theres at least 1 major drama a year.

MY advice; stay out of it.

If we're not dealing with Tora, Planty-P or whomever is the latest crazier problem, its okay though.

That is basically correct.

The accent ends up strange for that reason.