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  • This is something I could've put in a blog but I put it up as more of a disscussion if only because I want it to be a "Discuss the common reasons why people dislike Miku" thread. Anyway this thread derives from the fact that we get a fair number of people here asking this question despite it being explained quite a fair number of times. So Serza is here today to go through the number of reasons why people may hate her (besides obvious and simple reasons like trolling).


    FYI : I am not saying that you have to dislike Miku with this thread. The intention is not to change people's opinions on Miku but to give a better understanding as to why people dislike her even if you do.


    1) Producers use her too much/She has too many songs. This is the most common reasoning you'll find to this. Sure enough Miku's fame is what brought VOCALOID into the light, as well as providing companies inspiration to make their own VOCALOIDs. Despite this there is no denying that Miku even to this day has an overwhelming amount of original songs to her name that is far to superior to not only overseas vocals or unpopular Japanese vocals, but even when compared to some of the other more popular VOCALOIDs. But it's especially because she overshadows the lesser known/popular VOCALOIDs that people get frustrated with her. The majority of the time fans do understand that this isn't directly Miku's fault, some of them might even still like her voice anyway, but they'll still be annoyed with the overwhelming amount of Miku songs being made while they wait for their favourite VOCALOID to actually receive an original.


    2) She's too popular/Fans give her too much attention. Being the reason why 1) happens, this is a fairly common reason too. As mentioned she is the one who brought VOCALOID to fame and naturally her fame rose as well. The issue people have with this is not the fact that it happened, but the fact that even to this day it has not died down, which in turn corresponds with this idea that she overshadows over VOCALOIDs (Which I keep mentioning but will talk about more in depth later). There is always going to be one that's more popular than the other, there is no denying or changing that fact. But people are annoyed with the fact that Miku has always been on top and there's not even a slight shift in her popularity. Again it's not so much the fact she's there but the lack of variety when it comes to what's popular bothers people; even if there is a newly hyped and popular VOCALOID they are usually set aside after a while for it to return to Miku.


    3) She's oversahdowed. I've mentioned this a few times already but let me explain now why overshadowing is an issue. I'm going to take this in it's own points :

    • The overshadowed VOCALOID does not get as much promotional material as the more popular one, as it is more worthwhile for a company to promote the one which will bring more money.
    • The likely hood of the overshadowed VOCALOID getting updates is slim, if at all, because it is more worthwhile to the company to simply make a new VOCALOID.
    • A VOCALOID overshadowing another could completely wreck the overshadowed VOCALOID's sales if they are released in the same time frame.
    • Worst case scenario is that if a VOCALOID is so overshadowed and lacks sales the company could stop producing VOCALOIDs, even if they've only released one.

    Is this all Miku's fault? No it's not, but in most cases this is the impact she has brought upon the companies attitudes towards VOCALOIDs, even if she herself didn't directly do it.

    To sum up here :

    • People dislike her fame more than her. As a result they take it out on the character, while acknowledging she is not the direct cause of it.
    • There is nothing wrong with appreciating Miku's popularity and the positive traits it's given to VOCALOID, however it is important to acknowledge that it also has some equally naegative traits.
    • You can like Miku, but it is important to understand that people dislike her and the reasons why they do so.


    Additional reasons :

    4) Her voice is too cute/annoying/unappealing. There are many people who are put off by Miku's voice, simply because they personally aren't attracted to her voice type. Similary there are people who don't introduce potential fans with Miku because she can be a turn off to VOCALOID as a whole. On top of this high pitched voices like hers can even physically hurt people's ears (not because they think she sounds that awful but because the ringing in their ears can cause headaches, i'm no professional on such conditions but there's a fair bunch of people here who can tell you it happens to them).


    5) Her design is too cute/moe. Beleive it or not there are VOCALOID fans who aren't fans of anime. At it's core VOCALOID is a voice synthesier for creating songs and people can be drawn in just for that sole reason. Naturally then they can find a design unappealing because it incorporates many common anime design tropes (Despite how original you think her design is she was designed with having anime elements in mind). Of course they can ignore the design since it's "the voice that matters" but no matter how you look at it the character is part of the product so you can't just detatch the character from the voice just like that.

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    • Well then...

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    • Really, all you've sumed up here is that a lot of Miku haters dislike her for her fame in three different ways. And while yes, had all three of these been subcatagories of "She's too popular" and then more reasons were given, I would be beyond happy with this post.

      However, the Miku haters that are not just trolls or hipsters, hate her for more than just her fame.

      For example, I'm going to use my own reasons for disliking her.

      1). The biggest reason, and the most important as far as Vocaloid goes: I hate her voice.

      It's simply too high for me to enjoy, producers like to make her squeak a lot as well, which only adds to my annoyance with it. v Flower being my favorite Vocaloid, it's obvious I don't like higher pitched voices, it honestly gives a lot of people headahce, including myself.

      1.5). Her design irks me. I don't know what. Maybe her hair. I have no idea but it bothers me beyond words.

      2). Her fangiven personality. I know, I know, she can't help this; she's a computer program, but how she is seen as 'Perfect' by almost all fans is horrible. I hate perfection, it's fake and unrealistic (I say that while talking about Vocaloid... Oh jesus penis I'm a hypocrite...XDD) and I just don't like it. I'm a sarcastic asshole in most cases, so her sweet and caring personality bothers me.

      3). She's unavoidable. Yes, I admit a bit of my hatred comes from her fame, but honeslty... You can't view one video of another Vocaloid without seeing "MIKU IS BETTER!!" or "Miku could have sang this better..." and you still expect us not to be bothered by it? There will never be a Vocaloid video without five or so suggested Miku videos, yet about 85% of all Vocaloid songs are sang by her. It seriously drives me insane, as pathedic as that is.


      I know most of these reasons are out of her control, but 1.5-4 aren't even 20% of my hatred put together, it mainily comes from her voice and I don't understand how anyone could be upset for not liking a spesfic voice type.

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    • ^ Voice reasons yes I would've thought that, but when writting these sort of things I tend to go dry and end up just closing it off because I can't think of anything else.

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    • Ah, that's understandable, I do the same a lot.

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    • I think adding: 'They don't like Miku's voice/They don't like Miku's design' would be helpful, since those are major players in why people don't like Miku. Lot's of people in the West get put off by Miku's anime appearence or her high-pitched vocals. They're pretty much self-explanatory so they needn't be long. ( ´ ▽ ` )ノ

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    • I wasn't sure if I wanted to add them to the top but if people think that should be done then hold on.

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    • I don't specifically like her, though I like some of her songs. In my case I don't like how Crypton exploits her too much and doesn't take care well of its other Vocaloids.

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    • 190.179.67.14 wrote:
       In my case I don't like how Crypton exploits her too much and doesn't take care well of its other Vocaloids.

      Hm yes, this comes down to marketting choices. If you think of it this way : Miku can sell a good handful of products just on her name alone, with that Crpyton have enough funds to experiment with their vocals, not just Miku but the whole cast (For instance, they were able to fund a tutor for Luka's VA so she can have improved English capabilties).


      I do agree though that as a whole they don't take care of their other vocals enough, despite what I said. As I said having Miku on the promo would gather more attention I don't beleive that their other characters can't do considerably well on their own, or heck there's no reason they can't be at least alongside Miku in the spotlight and not just in the background.

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    • Do we really need an explanation for this?

      It seems to me that anything that's popular always have their fair share of haters no matter what they do. 

      You just can't have millions of fans without a few haters.

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    • ^It was made because commenters would often ask, 'Why do people hate Hatsune Miku?'. c[:

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    • I can write why I don't like Miku:

      • Voice: I'm not of fan of the voice, it has nothing to do with pitch but rather certain elements that used to set off a ring in my ear. This is no fault of Miku alone as several Vocaloids do this. And its not every high-pitched vocal, there has been one or two low vocals outside of Vocaloid to do this too, though its less often. So for medical reasons, I don't get on with the Miku vocal. Even without this in mind, I just don't find the voice overall appealing.

      Again this has nothing to do with pitch because I've liked songs with higher pitched singers in them, their in my "I'm too embarrassed to admit I like these" collection of loved songs. Its a case of there is *something* about her voice I don't like, Rin also has the EXACT same issue with her voice and Luka and Len are almost there too. Kaito and Meiko have something that I think comes close to it... So I presume its something to do with the way the CFM vocaloids are manipulated, that something is lost in the process of them cleaning up and altering the vocal they remove a element.

      • Design wise: Blue is not on e of my favourite colours, I find "cute" designs sometimes are a miss for me. Example: I find Chopper's design in One Piece ugly as hell. Basically, I find Miku not that attractive overall design wise and this is my personnel taste. Bare in mind I find SeeU's "Cute" design and Galaco's NEO version more appealing, to me "Cute" is more about being "simple", with softer toned colours. The over use of flat-colours (grey and black) just doesn't do it....

      Even in the face, her expressions on all but the appends boxarts have her just smiling... After years of looking at smiling Disney characters and overall happy designed characters, this makes Miku boring and just another run-of-the-mill design. Luka is better but there are a TON of things wrong with her design that I find her design less appealing.

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    • 171.96.177.219 wrote:
      Do we really need an explanation for this?

      It seems to me that anything that's popular always have their fair share of haters no matter what they do. 

      You just can't have millions of fans without a few haters.


      It's exactly what Dizzy said; we get the fair chunk of members here (presumably newbies) that come here asking why people hate Miku when they like her so much. This thread is essentially to not only have something to give the newbies who continue to ask (without checking previous comments) but also provide 1. and in depth explanation behind the reasoning and 2) a way for people to speak out about why they dislike Miku.


      In other words, it's not meant to simply show the fact that she gets hate but to help people understand why she gets hate.

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    • I think it comes with the price of being popular.

      Once something is popular people hate on it because they things they like aren't. Or alternately, because they don't like the thing everyone else does because they have to put up with people talking about it when they don't like it all. Sometimes people will love anything that anyone else loves, even when they truly don't like it or are just following a trend because everyone else ensures them its good. other times they want to rebel because they don't like that something popular.

      I think the hardest thing prior to the rise of the internet that I had to put up is the film:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(1997_film)

      here. Literally every girl was going on about it for two month, some said they saw it several times. ¬_¬

      When I did eventually see it on TV a few years ago, all I thought was "what the hell was so great about this film, its one of the most boring films I've ever seen". And as for the scene where she let go of the guy and let him sink... Hmm... You can quite CLEARLY see there was room for two on the floating bit of ship, she held him for hours, if she'd have pulled him up in the first place she wouldn't have tired. I didn't shed one single tear. ¬_¬

      As as for the male lead the girls all ranted about how cute he was... Even as a teenager I thought, "actually, when you get a good look at him... He isn't that attractive to be honest... ". So yeah... I've been on the rebel side before. I admit until I saw Titanic, I put my hate down to the actors looks and the fact nobody would shut up about it at school. Once I say the film, I had more then just the actors looks to put down! :-D

      But its easily done.

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    • Unfortunately, Miku won't being going away anytime soon. With how overhyped she is and preferred by Japanese producers, she really isn't going to stop selling to the public, much to others and my own dismay.

      A lot of companies have been just rapid firing VOCALOIDs and some of the fans are waiting on the "Miku killer," which is much similar to how people view new MMOs and a possible "WoW killer."

      My answer is this:

      It's not going to happen.

      Miku, like WoW, is a commercial sucess exceeding others in their fields.

      Since both are heavily advertised and usually updated every so often, they remain at the top of their line-up. Despite the disadvantages of some flaws such as WoW's dated graphics and Miku's "number of slurry or chopping vowel sounds", their companies being reputable and the products being so beloved by the community, they're practically invincible. 

      Unless Crypton heavily advertises a new product with the same enthusiasm as they did Miku, she's not losing any popularity, but I must admit V3 Luka might out-do Miku only if they fix her pronunciation (for both English and Japanese) and her well-known issue of being muffled (dear God, the muffled vocals were a pain to work with) and difficult to understand. But until we get a good demo of Luka's V3 Japanese, we won't know her capabilities to best Miku (if it's possible). So far, her English demo sounded really clear and easy to understand (far more understable than Miku English's demos and final product, if I may add), but English doesn't sell with producers as much as good quality Japanese voices do. 

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    • The thing I hate about her is the fandom. She has so many horror songs, mmd stuff, hentai, shipping wars, too many boring derivational characters. I hate he for that. Also when people like to make her sound too high and robotic and that some people actually pretend they are stupid and that they think shes the first when they know better but they just are racist weeaboos or hate Meiko. and when a lot of people think they know everything about vocaloid just because they know her.

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    • 100.1.253.64 wrote:
      The thing I hate about her is the fandom. She has so many horror songs, mmd stuff, hentai, shipping wars, too many boring derivational characters. I hate he for that. Also when people like to make her sound too high and robotic and that some people actually pretend they are stupid and that they think shes the first when they know better but they just are racist weeaboos or hate Meiko. and when a lot of people think they know everything about vocaloid just because they know her.

      1. Considering how you could have different types of genres for VOCALOID, Miku could have a lot of horror and dark songs if the producers wanted her to. Personally, I see her with a lot of Pop related genres, not all horror. .w.

      2. MMD stuff - I'm not sure if you're talking about the videos or the models... She's simply just an appealing character and it's easy for model makers to make Miku models because she's kind of simple to do.  :) Even I'm not a big fan of Miku, but I tend to really like her models a lot.

      3. Hentai - If it exists, there's hentai of it. Sorry, that's one of the biggest rules of how the internet works. :(

      4. Shipping wars - If it exists, I ship. Another rule of the internet, can't be ignored. But, shipping wars exist for anything and there's always a dumb war for it. It's just a matter of ignoring it an moving on. :)

      5. Too many derivatives - Eh.... I know derivatives were more of a thing when there weren't many VOCALOIDs, like in 2009. KAITO has a ton of derivatives, for example, mainly because there weren't many male VOCALOIDs to choose from. It was more of a big thing in the past, not so much in the present (Except for new fans who find the older things).

      6. High/Robotic - Producers preferences, that's all

      7. Miku is first - Miku CAN be first for a lot of things, like first to have a hologram concert for VOCALOID, first to have a game, first to be appended, etc, first Japanese V2, first "pure" Crypton VOCALOID (since MEIKO and KAITO were YAMAHA first, then transferred to Crypton's ownership). However, she is not the first VOCALOID at all. LEON and LOLA were, and MEIKO was the first for Japanese. I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about the fans who are extremely convinced that Miku is the first VOCALOID, except to try to tell them as it is. If they choose to not listen, then so be it, they will come to find out later. :/

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    • ^ I understand your feelings. However, I think that you should try not to let a fandom ruin something for you. If it's too much I understand though.

      But you know, all VOCALOIDs (uh, the popular ones) get that kid of things (horror songs, mmd stuff, hentai, shipping wars, too many boring derivational characters). But Miku get the most because she is the most popular. You can ignore it.  It's not Miku, it's some fans.

      Yes about the high-pitch, I don't like it either. Sure, people who pretend that she's the first are kinda annoying. But it can also be (especially if they're rather young) that since they're used to think she is the first, it's a shock to discover she isn't ! And you can start to have childish feelings like "it's impossible, it's not true". Of course, it's not okay at all to pretend that the real first ones don't exist, it's just that I can understand, but you have to get over it (I mean those who pretend she's the first, not you).

      I'm not saying that what you think is wrong or that you should like Miku, it's just that I think it's sad If some people spoil something for you :)

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    • Just want to drop in and say that horror songs are not Miku exclusive.

      Listing "too many horror songs" as a reason for disliking a VOCALOID... you'd have to hate every single VOCALOID in that case. How much is too much, anyway? That's completely subjective.

      It's not like horror songs are the norm, either. They get popularity because they're different, and so you notice them more. But if you look around, you'll find plenty of non-horror songs that'll better suit your taste as well.

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    • 100.1.253.64 wrote: The thing I hate about her is the fandom. She has so many horror songs, mmd stuff, hentai, shipping wars, too many boring derivational characters. I hate he for that. Also when people like to make her sound too high and robotic and that some people actually pretend they are stupid and that they think shes the first when they know better but they just are racist weeaboos or hate Meiko. and when a lot of people think they know everything about vocaloid just because they know her.

      1. Miku is used for a lot of songs -period- not just horror. When people go on about how often Len dies, they neglect that Miku dies more then both (and this isn't with the fact Rin dies more taken into note). She has like, 40,000+ original songs, 100,000+ songs together on Karen-T. And this is a number now 3 whole years OUT OF DATE.
      Sure, Miku ends up sing more of every single genre of music overall - not just horror - because she ends up being used 10x more then any other vocaloids. Really, she gets 700+ uploads (1,000+ altogether) currently a month more on average then her next current rival, who only gets 300+ uploads on average.
      1. Derivatives are CFM's thing they do to promote their fandom. Its a dying trend among Japanese producers because few take off or get any attention anymore, especially now their are about 60+ Vocaloids in total and only CFM promotes this stuff. The overseas fandom ares more about this stuf only because its about 5 years behind the Japanese one and is still learning about Vocaloid.
      2. In regards to making Miku sound robotic; Sad Machine, this happens with any vocaloid. This is Producer user preference.
      3. Also in regards to the vocaloid itself, miku's not a realistic Vocaloid, she was just the easiest to use in V2 and had the most popularity. This is why she ended up popular also in V3, because her solid rep and popularity sold her. Can't fault a vocaloid if its design is too "perfect" for the task and she was expected to not much more popular then Meiko. So they were expecting about 3,000 sales in a year and were shocked when they got it before she was even released.
      4. "the first" isn't always the fans fault. Its partly the way Miku is promoted. She was introduced by CFM as their first vocaloid, true since Yamaha made Meiko and Kaito.... Even when they introduced Miku to the overseas! Top it off, people fix on the "01" on her arm, and the first her name means "first sound of the future", among other things. Miku's overwhelming popularity basically means she sells herself to more Vocaloid noobs then any other vocaloid.
      And the trouble is with a noob is your left hoping they can type in something "www.google.com" and write "Vocaloid" into the search engine of their choosing. I've come across it on Deviantart, people who don't want to do research. Its either because they is too much to take in or they can't be bothered. While nativity is considered a sign of innocence, ignorance is not; when a fan first learns what vocaloid is, they are naive... Its when they never get past this stage it goes over to ignorance.
      Also, "stupid" isn't ness. why they do it... Bare n mind the vast majority of fans are young/mid teens overseas all the way up to young adults.
      1. While weaboos are a problem, this isn't just a Vocaloid thing... Hating on Disney for not being Japanese is another example- despite Disney producing some of the highest quality animations in the world. But... From my days as a anime fan I learnt a LOT of whats behind weabooism, particularly from americans. As one person said, all they knew growing up was American things, they had patriotism drilled into their head. When they saw an anime for the first time it was a breath of fresh air, basically it was something "different". Thus they were attracted to it because it wasn't the usual stuff they were exposed to. When something is different, force of habit can lead you to believe its even "better" then what your used to, causing you to love it blindly.
      On the other hand, people also hate anime for the same reason, because its different and therefore they fear what they do not like or have closed their hearts to anything "new". Unfortunately, Vocaloid is seen as a sign of weabooism at times, ergo, all Vocaoid fans are "weaboos" even when their primary favourite vocalodis are never Japanese nor adorned with anime/manga characters (Being known as a die hard Engloid fan whose faovurite vocaloid is Tonio, no comment... ¬_¬').
      weaboo is in regards to vocaloid, therefore, is only truly bad when it leads to bias favourism for one group of vocalodis based on origin/language and when it leads to hate against vocaloid itself.
      Also again... weaboos are often young teens-adults. Its a "stage" they go through in a lot of cases. I speak from experience, many fans will only like anime/manga for a few years then move onto something else. I don't know many fans of anime/manga who were fans a decade later - myself included.

      This is all I have to say.

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    • I dislike her for some of the reasons you said, but sort of in other ways.

      1- 1a)She got way too much fame, and she's not even really great. Okay, the firsts songs I heard was performed by Miku, but that's because she was the only one I knew the name. This is what I say to my sister (who is sort of hater of VOCALOID): When you go through this thick layer of music or silly nonsense of Hatsune, you see that yes, the songs have very interesting meanings. She got all this spotlight even though the interesting songs sung by her are NOT totally her's, they have the other VOCALOIDs.

      1b) Consequently her great fame, her fandom is huge. And the stuff her fandom do is really annoying. Like, people always saying everywhere: "MIKU IS THE BEST VOCALOID! SHE IS PERFECT!1!!11!!!11!". Most of the times, the person don't even know the 'minor' ones, and thinks that she's the only one. And all that things they created (doujinshi, fanart, shippings...) all of that is nice, but in excess... It is overwhelming.

      2- A point that I agree with my sister. According to her: "These songs enter the ear and get hanging around in it, and there is echoing and echoing, and as if that were not enough, also has a small bell in the background making 'ding ding ding'..." She was talking about Rin, but it also applies to Miku. Translating these wise words, her voice go right into your eardrum and keep echoing, even I get some headache when I listen her. (and this is sort of a big thing, since I listen all those high notes by Kagamine bros and Utatane Piko the whole time)

      3- Once again, she obscures the brightness of other VOCALOIDs. Let us take as an example IA: Her voice, in my opinion, is just perfect. But she has some fame? Who is IA compared to Hatsune? It makes me very sad, really. And sort of angry.

      But I know that none of this is Hatsune's fault. She's only a program. I still like her, she's cute and all that stuff. There's a lot of other reasons that I dislike her, but I will resume this in one only sentence:

      She is a Mary Sue.

      If you don't know what this means, google is here for that.

      (Hope you understand it, English is not my language...)

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    • @Lola - I wouldn't say IA is that obscure .w.  She's a fairly popular VOCALOID, even if she doesn't have as many songs as Miku.  She's still up there in the top ten list of highly recognized VOCALOIDs.

      I think it's fine if you don't like Miku for the way she sounds.  Actually, that's how it kind of should be.  The design and voice are more legitimate to judge by, rather than things like "personalities" because most of that is fanmade 90% of the time :/  It's also okay if you can't exactly like her because you may have issues listening to high pitched voicebanks.  Some people from the wiki have the same problem.

      But quite honestly, I understand why people dislike Miku and the other popular VOCALOIDs for overshadowing VOCALOIDs who don't get much attention. But there's nothing that can be done. It's just chance some of the time. :( The only thing that you could do was to help spread awareness of the other VOCALOIDs, whether that would be making songs with them or making more fanart (to help get their avatar recognized) or share music around by other producers. Help them get their fame that way, rather than just sulk about VOCALOIDs who have too much popularity. It's meaningless to do that.

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    • @Misteryevee - I agree with you. Yeah, I do could spread the other ones. I do this, but I just started in the VOCALOID world, and I don't quite understand all of the things the fans do to make jokes and stuff. Here in wikia is the first place I can really be a fan, and I don't know many fans. I do this when I can. I don't have the program, but if I had I would create songs too. I do fanarts when I can. This is just a little hard in this moment, but in the possible, I'll do it.

      Keep criticizing and do nothing to change it is meaningless.

      I appreciate that you agree with me in something, at last :)

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    • @Lola - Oh!  So you're new! :D  Well, if there's any question you have, we'll try our best to answer. ^ ^

      I have had an argument on Facebook before over Miku's popularity.  It was not pretty.  It was essentially like our conversation, except the people on Facebook was much harsher and wasn't civil like this one is. :/  I'm sure people who has seen my comments about this on the "What's on your mind?" threads would recall it.  

      I'm not sure who won that argument.  If anything, I'm sure the admin of that page just decided to ignore me since I wasn't going to quit going at it. ^^;  I don't want to go "Well, I'm right, so deal", but I don't want them to go around sulking about how Miku and co are too popular and the others aren't.  It doesn't do anything positive, it just produce more haters and negativity, if anything :(

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    • Miku's popularity basically boils down to something she didn';t ask for nor can control. CFM makes the product; they don't force anyone to buy it.

      This is the issue, you can't control the mass en force of the Japanese fans, the ones making her super popular. Their JUST not as interested in other voclaoids. As I said, Miku gets about 1000 videos on Nico video a month, her next competitor gets 300. After 6 months, this eans her ext closet rival has 1800 videos, while Miku has 6,000+. And THIS ids why the other voclaoids can't compete. This is why she had 40,000+ original songs and others at a time when others still had only about 8,000+ at the most.

      I'm one of those who can't stand the core Miku vocal, because the pitch sets off ringing in my ears. But I dislike other vocaloids for that same fan. And as for your special vocaloids not getting attention. Both Otter and I can both sympathize at least, Otter's a big SeeU fan whose popularity in Japan is pathetic -I'm and Engloid fan and I've had to sit through some BS because fans just can't resist digging at English vocaloid and running it down. And thats just two of the editors here; there are many more who have "underdog" vocals they like and sometimes wish there was more to listen to. >_<

      Miku's popularity is something you've just got to learn to tolerate, as a Vocaloid fan there is barely any Japanese website Vocaloid related website not dominated by her name, image or voice. And she is pretty much stealing attention from other CFM vocaloids at this point, even better vocals like Meiko and Luka. So it all boils down to how much tolerance your willing to give her. If you can't tolerate her, then you're not going to have an easy time within the Vocaloid fandom.

      Sites like the wikia, at least give grounds for all Vocaloids to get *some* attention, but even we've been accused of playing favourites with Miku. Its not we do, its that so much stuff is on Miku you can't avoid it. If we don't cover Miku's merchandise, for example, then pages like Good Smile Racing get ignored and our wikia is incomplete. In other words, we're not doing the job of covering everything Vocaloid related. All we can do to counter it is make sure we grab every pages, so pages like VOCADOL become REALLY important because without them it will be just Miku on the wikai. These are the things people are MORE LIKELY not to know about.

      You also get dedicated people like Otter who enjoy spamming their favourite Vocaloids songs (sorry Otter, thats an example, not a dig at you) for more or less the same reasons.... ^_^'

      Other Vocaloids are slowly getting more attention as people learn more about vocaloid, just in english vocaloids alone, you can safely say all V3's were overall more popular then V2s. Maybe the exception being Nana... And there arer 2 new Vocaloids (Ia and Yukari) joining the ranks of "Big 8" level, something that hasn't occurred since Gumi was released in 2009. Time, will indeeed increase Miku's popularity; but it will also increase the popularity of other vocaloids.

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    • Hm, I never really have so much of a problem with "popularity in Japan" because Chinese VOCALOIDs are targeted for Chinese fans mainly. :/ So whatever happens in NND with Tianyi, YANHE, Xin Hua and the upcoming new ones, I won't give a damn, sorry. That recent NND ranking never even bothered me one bit, even though Tianyi and YANHE were in the lower tier, because they're not meant for Japanese fans to simply put it. Bilibili is where the real stuff happens and that's where they really shine (except not much Xin Hua stuff show up on BB, I have to check NND and YouTube more often! :o I wonder if it has anything to do with tension between China and Taiwan?). It's the same for SeeU and CreCrew, but since that shut down not too long ago, she has to deal with NND and YouTube. :(

      Though, I can't say all Chinese fans like their VOCALOIDs more over the Japanese ones. Especially since before Tianyi released, they fancied Miku and Luka in particular and had an interest in Japanese VOCALOIDs. Even to the point of buying them and attempting to have them sing in Mandarin (which results vary from gaining backlash for it or not).

      And besides.... the Chinese fans tend to have their own kinds of drama ;_; Like fighting over producers (which I think was recent, actually, but I don't know the details), arguing over illegal acts of MMD, starting trouble with companies, and flaming anyone who gets in Ling's way (YANHE....).

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    • My issue is basically the same as whenever someone complains about Miku's popularity.

      When you look at the big picture, part of the problem is the lack of content; anyone can help correct this... Fanfiction, art or songs... You don't have sit there and whine about Miku being too popular either way. Get out there and start producing stuff related to other vocaloids. The more that is produced the more chances it will be noticed, thus increasing the vocaloids popularity. Its one of the best counters to Miku's popularity a single fan has, and yet its often never considered.

      Also... Man and I thought the English fandom had its share or problems, good grief... One could put that all down to the chinese vocaloid fandom being its infancy in a way... But then whats the English fandoms excuse at this point? O_O

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    • Yeah, the Chinese fandom does have its own share of problems. :/  Louis lets me in on the stuff once in a while or explains it to me, but sometimes she just covers my ears because it does get really bad once in a while. .w.  The MMD problems are essentially the same as the Western fandom, but it seems that people in the Chinese fandom are more willing to act against people who break the rules, it just becomes uncivil in terms of arguments. Things just get really, really ugly in the Chinese fandom and it goes unnoticed to us because of the major language barrier. ;_;

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    • ^ I'll admit, I saw some of those conversations before and they aren't pretty. While on most fourms they're fawning over some amazeballs producers such as Sya; some other fourms they're going bonkers over some POCALOID or XSY hacks. I recall this one time after Tianyi was released this person POCALOID'd her and everyone went ballistic. It's pretty ugly down there.

      EDIT: They also frequently complain about Tianyi's pronounciation problems.

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    • @Misteryeevee 

      Yeah, Thanks :3

      Oh, I know how it is. There's people who can't even write a answer without being harsh. This happens because they don't have really a point, so they just go out screaming like a child that they're right and everybody else wrong.

      Well, really they can't go just sulking about it. And if they do, would be better if they kept that to theirself because no one is obligated to hear that childish talk.

      (sorry any errors...)

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    • Miku Mouse.

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    • Kajiki wrote:
      Miku Mouse.

      no necroing (reviving dead threads) or spam

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    • Miku is my favorite Vocaloid of all time, but I hate how they're treating her! Not just haters, but horror, hentai, and himedere, along with the crazy fans going "SHE IS MAH WAIFU" and stuff. I'm not the "SHE IS MY WAIFU ENGLOIDS SUCK THEY NOT KAWAII DESU" type of person. I love them all. Avanna, Gumi, SeeU, and so on. I've even taken a liking to Leon, Lola, and Miriam. I miss them... I even like the Spanish and Chinese Vocaloids.

      Hatsune Miku is just my favorite and the one I listen to the most of. I've been attached to Sonika's "Unresolved" and Mew's "Stella," along with Lola's "Existence."

      People hate her English voicebank for the accent and "non-kawaii" boxart, but I think her boxart is pretty (Zain7 is a talented artist) and her voice is cool with a cute accent. DON'T BASH ME FOR THIS!!!

      People hate her because...

      She has so many insane fans.

      She has too many unproffessional songs, a lot of them containing inappropriate content or having a vulgar music video.

      She has a childish voice in Japanese but a more teen-like voice in English, so people who hear her speaking her second language think, "This isn't Miku, this is a totally different person!"

      She is the result of hate on English Vocaloids.

      Again, I like them all, but Miku is my favorite.

      Why do these people do these kiddy things? I hate it!

      I'm eleven years old myself, but I just step away from the crazy fandom and join the sane one.

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    • (same Wikia contributor)

      Oh, and there's also screaming Hagane Miku and skeletal Calne Ca. I'm not a fan of metal...or creepy things.

      There are also the good things, like professional producers.

      I guess the bad fans should stop buying her. And people should practice before submitting a song, so it sounds cute and not squeaky and robotic.

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    • The KAgamines have worst fans... People talking openlying about wanting to rape Len is... Disturbing... O_O

      How do you define "bad" from good?  Where do you draw the line.  Example; things I don't think are so bad are things others consider worst.  

      -Angel Emfrbl

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    • I think Miku's voice and design are really nice and accurate for the type of "character" they wanted to produce, and I'm disappointed in the fans who direct hate towards her because of her popularity. I think mature and respectable Vocaloid fans would judge a vocaloid by their voicebank, by pointing out their flaws and strengths, and their design using accurate observations. For example, I dislike the way Rin pronounces her "ah" sound and I prefer Miku's voice when she's used at a tempo and range that would be typical for a human.

      Also, I completely agree with the person above me that many Kagamine fans are crazy. To be honest, most of the ones I've seen are, but it might just be because of younger girls going through their fictional crush phase and their lack of maturity and self-discipline at that age. We can always just wait until they outgrow it :)

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    • idk I think it's perfectly normal to "hate" on something because it's popular. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  I mean,not everyone likes something shoved down their throat and Crypton is known for doing just that with their Vocaloids(mostly Miku). For example;some people hated IA because they though she hogged the spotlight from other V3s. This was a similar scenario with Miku and V2 generation I believe...

      And to be honest,I've seen more immature comments from Kagamine and Gumi fans than Miku fans lol

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    • Internetting wrote:
      idk I think it's perfectly normal to "hate" on something because it's popular. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  I mean,not everyone likes something shoved down their throat and Crypton is known for doing just that with their Vocaloids(mostly Miku). For example;some people hated IA because they though she hogged the spotlight from other V3s. This was a similar scenario with Miku and V2 generation I believe...

      And to be honest,I've seen more immature comments from Kagamine and Gumi fans than Miku fans lol

      I think it's just the age of the Len and Gumi fans that's making them seem immature. Preteen girls and boys, I'm guessing :)

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    • It is normal to become negatively biased against something because you see it a lot or it recieves a lot of attention, but it is good to recognise that it is irrational. No Vocaloid is actually hogging the spotlight, they just happen to be more popular. orz

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    • FlutterMiku wrote:
      Internetting wrote:
      idk I think it's perfectly normal to "hate" on something because it's popular. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  I mean,not everyone likes something shoved down their throat and Crypton is known for doing just that with their Vocaloids(mostly Miku). For example;some people hated IA because they though she hogged the spotlight from other V3s. This was a similar scenario with Miku and V2 generation I believe...

      And to be honest,I've seen more immature comments from Kagamine and Gumi fans than Miku fans lol

      I think it's just the age of the Len and Gumi fans that's making them seem immature. Preteen girls and boys, I'm guessing :)

      Yes. As you've said,they will most likely outgrow it one day.

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    • ^ Not every one at that age has a crush on a character and acts crazy about it though ! (Not saying that against them)

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    • Dizzyzebra wrote:
      It is normal to become negatively biased against something because you see it a lot or it recieves a lot of attention, but it is good to recognise that it is irrational. No Vocaloid is actually hogging the spotlight, they just happen to be more popular. orz

      this

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    • I don't like Miku because 

      A.) Rin and Len's voices are so much better

      B.) She's annoying

      C.) She's overused

      D.) She's the most popular and for some reason I'm against popularity

      E.) Producers only use her when there's a bunch of other, and BETTER SOUNDING Vocaloids they could use instead

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    • Not all producers only use her and many of them I'm sure actually like Miku's and thinks she's better than other VOCALOIDs. And by annoying you mean her voice is annoying...?

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    • NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
      Not all producers only use her and many of them I'm sure actually like Miku's and thinks she's better than other VOCALOIDs. And by annoying you mean her voice is annoying...?

      adding on to this, a lot of producers use mostly Miku (also Gumi, Rin/Len, and IA) because they are most likely to get views on niconico, and by extension people who will buy their albums

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    • Hate is a strong word. More like done with. She's OK, but she's overused.

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    • 68.197.199.113 wrote:
      I don't like Miku because 

      A.) Rin and Len's voices are so much better

      B.) She's annoying

      C.) She's overused

      D.) She's the most popular and for some reason I'm against popularity

      E.) Producers only use her when there's a bunch of other, and BETTER SOUNDING Vocaloids they could use instead


      A: Actually, techniclly the reputation of the Kagamines means their not better by a long run. 

      B: How?  I find her voice annoying.  I find her appearance everywhere vocaloid related annoying.   Neither reasons are good enough to "hate", but she does get boring after a while. 

      C: Popularity breeds popularity... The producers use her a lot because she is the most famous, likely to get attention and popular.  I'd focus on raising the profile of the other vocals and not on Miku's popularity.

      D: Wow.... Thats kinda shallow.  I know you can't please everyone but there is nothing wrong with liking something popular.  Lets toss the other 60+ Vocaloids aside right for the moment and focus on the by-product of popularity.  Increased sales means that more can be inveted safely into a vocaloid, so Miku can have more money poured into her without fear of consquences.  This is both good and bad, but for the majority of users, who are into Miku anyway, this is good for them.  I'm not defending her because damn, as a primary Engloid fan the funding issue prevents update.  I'm jut explaining that people buy her, so therefore things will get worst over time as they pump more into her.  The further the gap is between her and other vocals the harder it will be for them.  Ergo, this is why you should focus on raising the popularity of the other vocals and forget her.

      E: VOCALOID NET and Mobile VOCALOID Editor are ways Yamaha is working on rising the way people can access the vocal they want.  Their only in Japanese though Cyber Diva's release likely hints this is due in the next few years for English.  A lot of producers can't compete unless they use one of the popular 8, Ia, Yukari or VY1, the top 11 vocaloids.  

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    • Also, things have improved since V3, example; there are now more users of Vocaloid and last year there was a high increase of vocalodi sales. Sadly this was mostly due to V3 Miku, which leads back to the problem. 


      -Angel Emfrbl

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    • I like Miku, but I agree she's used a lot.

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    • Shippings.

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    • people hate it because it's there. for everything good you can make something bad out of it. For everything bad you can make something good out of it, especially if it's with a flexable thing where nothing is really "official."

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    • Well I was a fan of rin and len and searching rin and len T-Shirt but alot of Miku T shirt pop up and there's only 1 t shirt of Kagamines and I was sad it's not like I hate or dislike Miku it's just a little annoyed to me. I was sad ;-;

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    • These cunts in the comment section need to stop talking trash about my waifu.

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    • @Anon... "Waifu" is an old meme that is kinda annoying its still in use... She is nobody's waifu. =_=

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    • 76.167.224.24 wrote:
      These cunts in the comment section need to stop talking trash about my waifu.

      http://i.imgur.com/hrd5J9a.gif?noredirect

      Jokes asside, everyone has different tastes and reasoning behind their opinions. :'D

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    • I like Miku but there is one thing I seriously don't like from her..

      Her fame is too overrated wherein people can't even check out Luka/KAITO/Len/Neru which are great Vocaloids for me. They also make songs too much on her that even she has wrong voices.

      Anyways, overall, she is my jam.

      I agree that she is a better pop star than JB though! :D

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    • PEPPAPOOP wrote:
      I like Miku but there is one thing I seriously don't like from her..

      Her fame is too overrated wherein people can't even check out Luka/KAITO/Len/Neru which are great Vocaloids for me. They also make songs too much on her that even she has wrong voices.

      Anyways, overall, she is my jam.

      I agree that she is a better pop star than JB though! :D

      (note i'm making a numbered list to organise my thoughts, not to be passive aggressive)

      1. Miku is essentially a dual-edged sword in that she both provided/provides the awareness of vocaloid's (the software) existence, but tends to get the most attention, sometimes taking away that of others

      2. Luka, Len, and Kaito are still some of the most popular vocaloids. They aren't really in danger of being unpopular since they're cryptonloids

      3. If by wrong voices you mean her voice doesn't fit the song(s), that is sort of a thing, tho one could argue there is no wrong song for her, as it's the producer's artistic freedom to use her for whatever song

      4. Neru isn't a vocaloid. She's a fanloid that uses Miku or Rin's vocals, since she doesn't possess her own

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    • EmbraceEvil wrote:

      PEPPAPOOP wrote:
      I like Miku but there is one thing I seriously don't like from her..

      Her fame is too overrated wherein people can't even check out Luka/KAITO/Len/Neru which are great Vocaloids for me. They also make songs too much on her that even she has wrong voices.

      Anyways, overall, she is my jam.

      I agree that she is a better pop star than JB though! :D

      (note i'm making a numbered list to organise my thoughts, not to be passive aggressive)

      1. Miku is essentially a dual-edged sword in that she both provided/provides the awareness of vocaloid's (the software) existence, but tends to get the most attention, sometimes taking away that of others

      2. Luka, Len, and Kaito are still some of the most popular vocaloids. They aren't really in danger of being unpopular since they're cryptonloids

      3. If by wrong voices you mean her voice doesn't fit the song(s), that is sort of a thing, tho one could argue there is no wrong song for her, as it's the producer's artistic freedom to use her for whatever song

      4. Neru isn't a vocaloid. She's a fanloid that uses Miku or Rin's vocals, since she doesn't possess her own

      Oops, I didn't mean to add Neru - I was just listening to some song featuring her voice while typing..

      By I mean wrong voice, I mean where she gets too high pitched or low.

      Kagamine Len, Megurine Luka and KAITO are also popular yet very far from reaching Miku which means they are out of Miku's league.

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    • PEPPAPOOP wrote:
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      i wouldn't saw far reaching. They're still in the top 8. but yeah Miku will always be more popular

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    • Anyone who complains about a member of the Big 8 being unpopular doesn't know what its like to support a real unpopular Vocaloid.  :-/

      I find the "wrong voice" comment amusing. True a optimum range means "sweet spot", but it doesn't mean the vocaloid should stick to it. It just means making Miku sing too low will result in terrible vocals, but if the producer has the skill to make the vocal go outside its range without failing... Then there is no "wrong voice" for any vocaloid.

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    • I personally like Miku quite a bit. I wouldn't blame anyone if they didn't like her, though. I could understand it if someone didn't like her because of her voice and/or design, but I'm kind of saddened when I find people who don't like her just because she's popular or that the fandom ruined Miku for them. Listening to Miku songs is sort of a guilty pleasure thing for me. I feel that if people knew I liked Miku, they'd probably automatically label me as a weeaboo or something unpleasant like that. Because of this, I tend to dislike talking to people about vocaloid because I'm afraid that it'll ruin my reputation somehow, & I feel a bit like a social outcast as it is. I explained what vocaloid was to a friend once, and it was actually a semi-terrifying experience for me. I tried to tell her that there are a lot of vocaloids that sing in multiple languages & that there are millions of vocaloid songs out there, but I can't shake this feeling that I did a bad job explaining vocaloid. I hope my friend doesn't think I'm some sort of a Miku-obsessed freak now. I veered way off topic, didn't I? Oh well.

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    • @anon, to be fair explaining Vocaloid to a outsider to the fandom is hard because they are a blank slate. Ites a big concept to launch onto someone, to the point I get annoyed at veteran fans who seem to expect a person to know 60+ Vocaloids within a month of joining the fandom.

      I understand, also this is why Miku may get a lot of the focus as well. The media hasn't time to look up ore then 5 mins of research, and since Miku's going to be within 15 mins of any Vocaloid look up normally, she'll be the only one popping up.

      I also don't get why the way some act in the fandom means that liking any of the Big 8 is a "rolls eyes" moment. I mean, I like Kaito and Gumi myself... Well... Gumi not so much anymore since I find her boring... But there is nothing wrong with like any Vocaloid.

      Also, I don't think you veered off topic too much, its better to have the other side of the argument here

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote: Anyone who complains about a member of the Big 8 being unpopular doesn't know what its like to support a real unpopular Vocaloid.  :-/

      I find the "wrong voice" comment amusing. True a optimum range means "sweet spot", but it doesn't mean the vocaloid should stick to it. It just means making Miku sing too low will result in terrible vocals, but if the producer has the skill to make the vocal go outside its range without failing... Then there is no "wrong voice" for any vocaloid.

      Oh so how dumb am I for not making a comment understandable to people..

      #DisadvantagesOfBeingAPureAsian

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    • Who sad anything about being dumb... I'm saying that you can't relate, thats all.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote: Who sad anything about being dumb... I'm saying that you can't relate, thats all.

      Okay thanks for the opinion bai now.

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    • PEPPAPOOP wrote:

      Angel Emfrbl wrote: Who sad anything about being dumb... I'm saying that you can't relate, thats all.

      Okay thanks for the opinion bai now.

      i'm not sure if you realize this, but you're being incredibly rude 

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    • Personally, I like vocaloid a lot, because there can be a lot of variance in them. While in some cases, Miku's voice does annoy me with it's pitchiness, but she does have a lot of songs I enjoy. Something that I really don't like, though, is how a lot of UTAU users or other vocaloids get spammed with a whole army of "MIKU CLOUD SIGN THIS BETTER!!!!111!" 

      So, no. I don't hate Miku.

      My favorite is Luka, because her voice isn't too highpitched. :3

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    • The only reason I dislike Miku is purely becaude of her voice. It just has that ringing sound to it that sounds really artificial, like you can't imagine how it came from a human in the first place. Also, a lot of my favourite producers frequently use Miku and they don't release off-vocals, so I can't listen to a cover that uses a Vocaloid/UTAU with a less annoying voice instead of the original. I don't like how people judge the entirety of Vocaloid from Miku either, most of them aren't high pitched (just look at all the deep mature female V3s) and they don't all have moe animu designs, like VY1 and VY2. I just don't like how Miku has shifted the focus of Vocaloid to the holographic pop star thing instead of the software itself, it's really consumeristic in my opinion.

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    • Time for me to join the thread \o/

      For me, Miku isn't only a software. I mean; that's what she technically is: a character drawn on the box of a music software to make the product more attractive. But to me she's also what the people make of her, through music, songs, art, PVs, utaite, covers, remixes, odottemita... To me she's really the symbol of collaborative creativity, she's a canvas on which we can paint whatever we want.

      I don't think that Crypton imagined the impact that Miku would have when she was first released; whether it is because MEIKO was already there enjoying her fame on Nico Nico Douga, or whatever the reason was (because let's face it, every company must have its load of stress when launching a new product idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯).

      I think the main reason why she had this huge boost of popularity within her day of release, was mainly because of her high-pitched voice and her cuteness (just look at the female idol industry in Japan which overflows with this idea of fluffiness and cuteness!) And that's what Japanese fans are attracted to. We Western fans can rant about whatever we want, it doesn't change the fact that Miku was first produced and released for Japan only!! Which means, with a vocal bank corresponding to the Japanese standards of what makes people buy (I hope I'm being clear xD)

      (Historical note: At the beginning, KAITO's sales back in 2008 were crappy. Only MEIKO sold well because uh, she was a female and that KAITO's voicebank was kinda um. You know xD Aaaand that's the release of Miku that pushed users to take interest in KAITO again, so we can also thank Miku for that I guess? owo)

      As for the thing "MIKU IS THE ONLY ONE THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT4S NOT FAIR!1!!!1!" I would say, well, not quite.
      You can't blame Crypton for pushing advertising on the product that sells the most in their company. Concerts and innovations don't come in for free, so of course they need a shitton of money to satisfy the needs of the fans that scream all around the globe for Miku to come into their town. Also I'm a bit angry saddened myself that Miku gets more spotlight than the others Cryptonloids, even if it means shoving the other Cryptonloids aside (hell, MIKU EXPO is called MIKU EXPO for a reason), I don't think that's a bad thing: it's already difficult enough to make accept to the average person the existence of ONE generated-computer idol that goes into world tours, can you see yourself trying to explain the subtle differences between each VOCALOID/Utau/CeVIO/virtual singer?

      Heck, the other day in my art school I made a presentation about VOCALOID because I thought "Hey, it's something innovative and creative, we're in an artschool, c'mon" and who did I put in front as an example to introduce the VOCALOID software and its possibilities? Miku. Precisely because since she's the one that sells the most, and not because she's the one I prefer or the cutest or whatever; she's the one that people knows the most, even if it only by name; and she is truly a symbol of the power of creative sharing via Internet. And the other Cryptonloids aren't exactly shoved aside either, they still lead the VOCALOID fandom along with Gackpo and GUMI from Internet.Co 8D

      (As for my presentation, almost everybody found weird this idea of cutie 3D models with turquoise pigtails dancing on the stage idk xDD Aaah but it was entertaining to do nonetheless)

      Miku was used to produce concerts, operas (Miku x Keiichiro Shibuya for THE END) and classical music concerts (Miku x Tomita Isao); alright, however for example, did you know that part of the vocals for the OST of the 2006 animated movie Paprika were made using VOCALOID LOLA released in 2004? (This movie is a masterpiece by the way, I highly recommend it!)

      I mean what I'm trying to say is, sure, Miku gets more spotlight and that's only natural, but it doesn't mean that all the other virtual singers are erased from reality and shoved down into a black hole. They get their fair share of fame too!

      Also, let's not forget that the VOCALOID fandom is super cool and all, but in the end we're just fans of a product sold by a company to answer to the needs of a community and make money. Yes, a PRODUCT. Just like you can aBSOLUTELY LOVE the taste of the cereals you eat in the morning (sorry for the comparison xD). Miku just sells better than the other products on the market of virtual singers (VOCALOID, UTAU, CeVIO, Alter/Ego etc, that's all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

      I love yall-

      --Aelly

      PS: I also hate the weaboo fandom that goes on about how Miku is so kawaiiiiiiiiiiiii and is the best singer in the world. Well, that's just how they show their appreciation soooooooooooooooo yes. Let's try to bear with them (or not? idk xD) Being a fan requires a capacity of judgment and acceptance :v

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    • How about she isn't an actual singer? Idk, it just pisses me off. I came here to validate myself. Thanks.

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    • technically she is an "instrument" not a singer.

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    • I dont like how she is every where but i really like her hair

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    • I admit.. I really hate miku at times. In my opinion, she really isnt all that deserving of tthe endless fame...I understand she helped vocaloid grow and is a mascot..but at the same time..she fails as a mascot..because she only attracts attention to herself it seems and not other vocaloid as well most of the time.

      I do like her voice in SOME songs..its rare, but most of the time I cant stand it....she seems quite flat compared to many of the Vocaloid she overshadows. Such as IA, Meiko, Una, Rin, Len, Gumi, etc. People use her more for her moe appeal than for reasons like if her voice is fitting for a certain genre of song.

      But of course, that all depends on the talents of the producers I guess. Along with them choosing NOT to be a total sellout and try making originals for the more unpopular voices...like Iroha, Hiyama, Piko, CUL...etc..

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    • My reasons : 

      first thing is : Crypton is paying too much things and attention on her

      2, Just *Snow Miku*, *H.Miku: game game or wutever*, *H.Miku drawing competition* . Crypton has 2 page "Crypton" and ..... "Hatsune Miku". In page Crypton there are very few things, they always upload on Hatsune Miku :) ..... 

      3, There isn't even any *expo* or *drawing competition* about other vocaloid :) ......

      4, No fair treatment to other vocaloid(s) :V .....

      5, Fuk Crypton :) .............

      6, Why do people pay attention too much on her? :) ....... Why do people just remember her birthday :) ....... :) some *anime-manga-vocaloid* page , they even don't celebrate birthday for other vocaloid :) YAYYYY :) JUST MIKU??? :) REALLY NIGGA? :) 

      7, High-Pitched Voice made my ear bleeding :) .... But it's not i *hate* miku :) i also like some of her songs :) ............

      8, People ship someone that isn't suitable for her and say *she was born to be with .... * blah blah :)

      9, So many fanboy :) ...... Wanna know why i say that? :) ... Because when i say *i hate miku* :) then .. of course :) this will appear *so you hate vocaloid* .. LOL ? really? seriously? I love Rinlen, Luka, Kaito, Meiki, Piko, Lily, Hiyama, Iroha, CUL, Cyber Diva, Cyber Songman, blah blah blah :) So I hate them too :)  Now I know that if i hate miku it meant i hate Vocaloid :) :) 

      10, She was born to be with Kaito, while Kaito was born to sing with Meiko 

      She was born to be with Len, while Len was born to sing & blah blah with Rin :) 

      And then ::) ..... Meiko and Rin are trash :) because they were born to sing alone ... Oh really? 

      Sh*t :) 

      11, Oh god ...... Miku is ANIME !! LOLOLOLOLOLOL :) .... and Miku has anime-appearance :) while other not :) ... Ok i'm fine

      12, :) .......... No this ends here :) 

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    • her outfit is cute tho

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    • I don't hate Miku, but here's a reason that I sometimes find her annoying: for many poeple, she's their idea of "the standard Vocaloid". I'm aware that those are usually the poeple who're new to the fandom or barely even know what a Vocaloid is, but I've heard way too much stereotyping about what Vocaloids are supposed to be like due to Miku's overwhelming influence. 

      Think about it... so many people just think of Vocaloid as those "high-pitched, cutesy anime singers" because that's how Miku is commonly portrayed. So becuase of this constant exposure to Miku (cuz let's be honest, how much spotlight do any of the other Vocaloids get in comparison?), many people misled to believe that Miku is a representative of the entire Vocaloid franchise. She's not; she's merely the face of Vocaloid due to her popularity. And I don't think a lot of people get that, so they expect all the other Vocaloids to sound or give off a vibe like Miku.

      Vocaloid is very diverse--not only in terms of the available voicebanks, but the musical genres they're used in as well--and that's what makes it such a unique fandom. It's quite sad to see people coming in with such a limited view and such narrow expectations of what this software can offer, and for that we have none other than Hatsune Miku to thank. 

      Once again, I don't hate Miku. But I don't love her either. 

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    • Miku is my fav Vocaloid but people makes her High pitched to let it sound "Cute". In my opinon, I like her voice when it's normal pitched or her Dark Append. I Heard somewhere that people Who likes Miku, hates anyone else. Really? As a Miku fan I like GUMI and Zunko. I need to agree with her popularity. I saw in a website like "... has better songs than Miku. When there's VOCALOID5 ... will The most popular VOCALOID and there will nobody who likes Miku and everybody will froget her." I don't speek english.

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    • 84.63.186.147 wrote:
      Miku is my fav Vocaloid but people makes her High pitched to let it sound "Cute". In my opinon, I like her voice when it's normal pitched or her Dark Append. I Heard somewhere that people Who likes Miku, hates anyone else. Really? As a Miku fan I like GUMI and Zunko. I need to agree with her popularity. I saw in a website like "... has better songs than Miku. When there's VOCALOID5 ... will The most popular VOCALOID and there will nobody who likes Miku and everybody will froget her." I don't speek english.

      Well that's true. I like Miku but not her fan. Hence that VOCALOID 5 may dominate over Miku and forget about her.

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    • I just don't like her voice. Too high in my opinion. (That's why I prefer male Vocaloids.) {also, sorry! I know this is an old thread... but I saw the name and decided to click it}

      edit: I'm fine with Miku's appends solid and dark.

      editedit:er, it's not Miku's voice is too high, but just something about her voice just bothers me. I listen to Len, Rin, and Piko all the time.

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    • The One Stray Bean wrote:
      I just don't like her voice. Too high in my opinion. (That's why I prefer male Vocaloids.) {also, sorry! I know this is an old thread... but I saw the name and decided to click it}

      I got exploded

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    • CutePuppyXxX wrote:
      My reasons : 

      first thing is : Crypton is paying too much things and attention on her

      2, Just *Snow Miku*, *H.Miku: game game or wutever*, *H.Miku drawing competition* . Crypton has 2 page "Crypton" and ..... "Hatsune Miku". In page Crypton there are very few things, they always upload on Hatsune Miku :) ..... 

      3, There isn't even any *expo* or *drawing competition* about other vocaloid :) ......

      4, No fair treatment to other vocaloid(s) :V .....

      5, Fuk Crypton :) .............

      6, Why do people pay attention too much on her? :) ....... Why do people just remember her birthday :) ....... :) some *anime-manga-vocaloid* page , they even don't celebrate birthday for other vocaloid :) YAYYYY :) JUST MIKU??? :) REALLY NIGGA? :) 

      7, High-Pitched Voice made my ear bleeding :) .... But it's not i *hate* miku :) i also like some of her songs :) ............

      8, People ship someone that isn't suitable for her and say *she was born to be with .... * blah blah :)

      9, So many fanboy :) ...... Wanna know why i say that? :) ... Because when i say *i hate miku* :) then .. of course :) this will appear *so you hate vocaloid* .. LOL ? really? seriously? I love Rinlen, Luka, Kaito, Meiki, Piko, Lily, Hiyama, Iroha, CUL, Cyber Diva, Cyber Songman, blah blah blah :) So I hate them too :)  Now I know that if i hate miku it meant i hate Vocaloid :) :) 

      10, She was born to be with Kaito, while Kaito was born to sing with Meiko 

      She was born to be with Len, while Len was born to sing & blah blah with Rin :) 

      And then ::) ..... Meiko and Rin are trash :) because they were born to sing alone ... Oh really? 

      Sh*t :) 

      11, Oh god ...... Miku is ANIME !! LOLOLOLOLOLOL :) .... and Miku has anime-appearance :) while other not :) ... Ok i'm fine

      12, :) .......... No this ends here :) 

      Well here's the picture from FB: I don't hate and dislike Miku even she is overused. 

      By the way ... no cursing CutePuppy and NO RACIAL SLUR!!!!!!

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    • Serza5 wrote:
      This is something I could've put in a blog but I put it up as more of a disscussion if only because I want it to be a "Discuss the common reasons why people dislike Miku" thread. Anyway this thread derives from the fact that we get a fair number of people here asking this question despite it being explained quite a fair number of times. So Serza is here today to go through the number of reasons why people may hate her (besides obvious and simple reasons like trolling).


      FYI : I am not saying that you have to dislike Miku with this thread. The intention is not to change people's opinions on Miku but to give a better understanding as to why people dislike her even if you do.


      1) Producers use her too much/She has too many songs. This is the most common reasoning you'll find to this. Sure enough Miku's fame is what brought VOCALOID into the light, as well as providing companies inspiration to make their own VOCALOIDs. Despite this there is no denying that Miku even to this day has an overwhelming amount of original songs to her name that is far to superior to not only overseas vocals or unpopular Japanese vocals, but even when compared to some of the other more popular VOCALOIDs. But it's especially because she overshadows the lesser known/popular VOCALOIDs that people get frustrated with her. The majority of the time fans do understand that this isn't directly Miku's fault, some of them might even still like her voice anyway, but they'll still be annoyed with the overwhelming amount of Miku songs being made while they wait for their favourite VOCALOID to actually receive an original.


      2) She's too popular/Fans give her too much attention. Being the reason why 1) happens, this is a fairly common reason too. As mentioned she is the one who brought VOCALOID to fame and naturally her fame rose as well. The issue people have with this is not the fact that it happened, but the fact that even to this day it has not died down, which in turn corresponds with this idea that she overshadows over VOCALOIDs (Which I keep mentioning but will talk about more in depth later). There is always going to be one that's more popular than the other, there is no denying or changing that fact. But people are annoyed with the fact that Miku has always been on top and there's not even a slight shift in her popularity. Again it's not so much the fact she's there but the lack of variety when it comes to what's popular bothers people; even if there is a newly hyped and popular VOCALOID they are usually set aside after a while for it to return to Miku.


      3) She's oversahdowed. I've mentioned this a few times already but let me explain now why overshadowing is an issue. I'm going to take this in it's own points :

      • The overshadowed VOCALOID does not get as much promotional material as the more popular one, as it is more worthwhile for a company to promote the one which will bring more money.
      • The likely hood of the overshadowed VOCALOID getting updates is slim, if at all, because it is more worthwhile to the company to simply make a new VOCALOID.
      • A VOCALOID overshadowing another could completely wreck the overshadowed VOCALOID's sales if they are released in the same time frame.
      • Worst case scenario is that if a VOCALOID is so overshadowed and lacks sales the company could stop producing VOCALOIDs, even if they've only released one.

      Is this all Miku's fault? No it's not, but in most cases this is the impact she has brought upon the companies attitudes towards VOCALOIDs, even if she herself didn't directly do it.

      To sum up here :

      • People dislike her fame more than her. As a result they take it out on the character, while acknowledging she is not the direct cause of it.
      • There is nothing wrong with appreciating Miku's popularity and the positive traits it's given to VOCALOID, however it is important to acknowledge that it also has some equally naegative traits.
      • You can like Miku, but it is important to understand that people dislike her and the reasons why they do so.


      Additional reasons :

      4) Her voice is too cute/annoying/unappealing. There are many people who are put off by Miku's voice, simply because they personally aren't attracted to her voice type. Similary there are people who don't introduce potential fans with Miku because she can be a turn off to VOCALOID as a whole. On top of this high pitched voices like hers can even physically hurt people's ears (not because they think she sounds that awful but because the ringing in their ears can cause headaches, i'm no professional on such conditions but there's a fair bunch of people here who can tell you it happens to them).


      5) Her design is too cute/moe. Beleive it or not there are VOCALOID fans who aren't fans of anime. At it's core VOCALOID is a voice synthesier for creating songs and people can be drawn in just for that sole reason. Naturally then they can find a design unappealing because it incorporates many common anime design tropes (Despite how original you think her design is she was designed with having anime elements in mind). Of course they can ignore the design since it's "the voice that matters" but no matter how you look at it the character is part of the product so you can't just detatch the character from the voice just like that.

      The overshadowing is true (they only celebrate Miku's 10th ani. not the Kagamines'  (no design for them.....)

      Here you go

      Hmm.... If haters HATES Miku, they should've perform massive irreversible destructions and everything.

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    • I'm very sad that people hate Miku, a lot of people love to make song with her. To me, it's unfair

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    • Well... To some the amount of popularity Miku has is kinda unfair. This one vocaloid in a month can get more then half of the uploads to her name compared to the many other vocaloids. Instead of trying new voices, people lean on her and the other CFMs. The amount of merchandise, the references... Etc... Etc... 80% it seems about what focus there is on Voclaoid ends up being focused on this one character who overshadows the others to crazy levels. It would be understandable if her voice was the best, but its consistency varies per release. Plus, she tends to not only take priority over other releases, but her release can cause other Vocaloids develop to have their own time hit hard. Best example is the Kagamines V4x, which seems to have been rushed out so that Miku V4x come out several months later. As a consequences, the Kagamine package is the least versatile of the 3 V4x. Also, the Appends were put into production resulting in every other Vocaloid project in V2 being halted that was coming out of CFM except the Kaito and Meiko updates.

      Miku is also not the best Vocaloid to introduce others to, but she is being sold to the world these days. HEr higher pitched vocal tens to put off many audiences abroad outside of Japan because we have different tastes. There have been better Vocaloid to show off, but they are ignored. There are people out there who believe the jest of Vocaloid is Miku and co.:-/

      Its safe to say, that there is some sort of "fairness" here, but I will say Miku herself never asked to be popular. All of this is a result of Japanese fans buying into her OTT style. If things were more even between her and other vocals, then the amount of backlash wouldn't be too high.

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    • hmm I can understand that however, what mean of "unfair" is the hate for using in a song, like a popular vocaloid producer is famous for using vocaloid and not miku but when they upload a song and using miku for their songs for the first time. I can see a lot of hate for using her.

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    • ITs for the reasons I said before.

      Miku kinda has so many songs that people either want to and like to see different vocaloids used. But it becomes a catch-22 situation, wherein that while you use other Vocaloids... That may not bring in the views due to their obscurity. Therefore, Miku is more likely to bring in views, or so it may seem. She gets so many songs, however, that though she gets more views they are widespread compared to other vocaloids. When a song does take off, boy does it, more then any other vocaloid. But you have to draw the Miku fans in and when their widespread... IT either has the effect of a large net wherein news of a song spreads quickly due to a larger network, or it gets ignore because the net hasn't got the strength to reel in the song.

      For a Vocaloid like Big Al, he may not get a lot of views, but back in V2 you were more certain to get a lot of the fans of him viewing that 1 video uploaded that day. So it was an easier 3,000 views by the end of the month.

      The net, has also the draw as well as a large catchment area it has a lot amount of catchment for trolls and haters, so that's yet another draw back.

      Either way, I'm not saying its wrong to like or dislike her, but I do understand why it all happens. Miku's been so popular that after 10 years, there is a lot of fans who are bored of her and sick of the cycle being repeated, particularly overseas fans who don't have the link that the Japanese fans have with her. The trouble is the next most popular vocaloids are mostly from CFM or internet with IA and Yuari splashed in between. In other words, we're divided even further on our views of the other vocaloids, to the point wherein Miku's popularity is something that is solid.

      The problem with this is... Well... If it falls, its the size of a tower and it will take a lot of Vocaloid with it. So I understand why she is always being pushed, because she has to keep her grounds, this is kinda why we have English and Chinese Miku... New markets means its harder for that tower to fall. :-/

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    • ok because I really care for Hatsune Miku and the vocaloid producers for getting hate but I understand now.

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    • ok because I really care for Hatsune Miku and the vocaloid producers but I understand now

      *for getting hate* I accidentally put that, sorry :(

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    • 1.128.97.96 wrote:
      ok because I really care for Hatsune Miku and the vocaloid producers but I understand now.

      TBH, there're actually several ways to exterminate her completely in massive irreversible destruction. That nothing can bring her back.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      ITs for the reasons I said before.

      Miku kinda has so many songs that people either want to and like to see different vocaloids used. But it becomes a catch-22 situation, wherein that while you use other Vocaloids... That may not bring in the views due to their obscurity. Therefore, Miku is more likely to bring in views, or so it may seem. She gets so many songs, however, that though she gets more views they are widespread compared to other vocaloids. When a song does take off, boy does it, more then any other vocaloid. But you have to draw the Miku fans in and when their widespread... IT either has the effect of a large net wherein news of a song spreads quickly due to a larger network, or it gets ignore because the net hasn't got the strength to reel in the song.

      For a Vocaloid like Big Al, he may not get a lot of views, but back in V2 you were more certain to get a lot of the fans of him viewing that 1 video uploaded that day. So it was an easier 3,000 views by the end of the month.

      The net, has also the draw as well as a large catchment area it has a lot amount of catchment for trolls and haters, so that's yet another draw back.

      Either way, I'm not saying its wrong to like or dislike her, but I do understand why it all happens. Miku's been so popular that after 10 years, there is a lot of fans who are bored of her and sick of the cycle being repeated, particularly overseas fans who don't have the link that the Japanese fans have with her. The trouble is the next most popular vocaloids are mostly from CFM or internet with IA and Yuari splashed in between. In other words, we're divided even further on our views of the other vocaloids, to the point wherein Miku's popularity is something that is solid.

      The problem with this is... Well... If it falls, its the size of a tower and it will take a lot of Vocaloid with it. So I understand why she is always being pushed, because she has to keep her grounds, this is kinda why we have English and Chinese Miku... New markets means its harder for that tower to fall. :-/

      TBH, the only reason I don't like Miku is the overuses upon bunch of Cryptonloid items

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    • I said I understand now. lol

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    • btw Angel Emfrbl wrote that as a joke. lolol

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    • 27.111.71.86 wrote:
      I said I understand now. lol

      ???

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    • I think why some producers use Miku a lot is that she's supposedly easy to tune. There's a reason why Lily (a minor VOCALOID) is so overshadowed is because she is so difficult to tune, and if you tune her wrong she'll sound terrible. It's no surpise why producers would use Miku because she's so easy to use compared to other VOCALOID, and even if you're a beginner at tuning, she'll sound at least okay. Or that's what I've heard anyway.

      I don't mind Miku, but she's not my favorite. Her voice doesn't necessarily bother me, but it's not my taste (except when MASA tunes her). Her design is fine with me, (since I'm an anime fan :/) and I try to stay away from the toxicity of her fandom as much as possible. So she's not too bad in my perspective. I haven't hear much of her so-called Mary-Sue personality, since I usually don't pay attention to the personality area of her (I view her as more of a tool). In my opinion, I don't really see her as "caring" or "loving." 

      Her popularity doesn't bug me too much. It's not her fault, really. She's just a program after all. You could say blame the producers, but it's their song so they have every right to choose which VOCALOID or software to use. You could say blame the fans, but they are either new to the VOCALOID community so that's the only VOCALOID they have probably heard (besides a few Crypton VOCAlOIDs here and there), or they just like her voice. You could say blame Crypton, but then again Miku is the one who keeps VOCALOID from falling, so you can't really blame them. It's a strange situation, where everyone's at fault, yet not at the same time.

      That's just my opinion on the whole idea. ;-;

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    • In the end, I'm thankful that Miku exist because without her, I wouldn't have know vocaloid if it were for Miku. (P.S I love Miku voice. 

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    • 27.111.71.110 wrote:
      In the end, I'm thankful that Miku exist because without her, I wouldn't have know vocaloid if it were for Miku. (P.S I love Miku voice. 

      Same as me.

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    • Makunijiiro wrote:
      Well then...

      WAO I HATE HATUSNE MIKU SO MUCH ITS MOSTLY BECUASE OF HER STUPIDITY AND HER UGLY WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D deal with it HATUSUNE 

      Katidisa HATES YOU MORE THAN EVER :P

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    • GAWD THANKFUL FOR DIS ARTICLE I HATE HATE HATE HATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HATSUNE      MORE LIKE HatSUE HER!!

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    • NebulousViper wrote:
      Hm, I never really have so much of a problem with "popularity in Japan" because Chinese VOCALOIDs are targeted for Chinese fans mainly. :/ So whatever happens in NND with Tianyi, YANHE, Xin Hua and the upcoming new ones, I won't give a damn, sorry. That recent NND ranking never even bothered me one bit, even though Tianyi and YANHE were in the lower tier, because they're not meant for Japanese fans to simply put it. Bilibili is where the real stuff happens and that's where they really shine (except not much Xin Hua stuff show up on BB, I have to check NND and YouTube more often! :o I wonder if it has anything to do with tension between China and Taiwan?). It's the same for SeeU and CreCrew, but since that shut down not too long ago, she has to deal with NND and YouTube. :(

      Though, I can't say all Chinese fans like their VOCALOIDs more over the Japanese ones. Especially since before Tianyi released, they fancied Miku and Luka in particular and had an interest in Japanese VOCALOIDs. Even to the point of buying them and attempting to have them sing in Mandarin (which results vary from gaining backlash for it or not).

      And besides.... the Chinese fans tend to have their own kinds of drama ;_; Like fighting over producers (which I think was recent, actually, but I don't know the details), arguing over illegal acts of MMD, starting trouble with companies, and flaming anyone who gets in Ling's way (YANHE....).

      OH MAH GAWD ILY I HATE HATSUNE SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • It's a bit of a controversial topic but...

      I think they hate her because she's one of the initial things some non-otakus think when they think of anime or Japan in general. Most of the people who hate her are like, "she so dumm xdddddddddddddd down wit meekoo" or what I call 'parent-type haters', who use racist terms for her and make fun of her voice with stuff like, "chee chwaa desu" and dumb stuff like that...Miku's not my favorite but I guess she's okay. I'd definitely side with her though when I see haters, though...

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    • 72.219.202.236 wrote:
      Makunijiiro wrote:
      Well then...
      WAO I HATE HATUSNE MIKU SO MUCH ITS MOSTLY BECUASE OF HER STUPIDITY AND HER UGLY WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D deal with it HATUSUNE 

      Katidisa HATES YOU MORE THAN EVER :P

      She's not ugly anon. And stop try to be unknown and spam hates like others.

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    • 72.219.202.236 wrote:
      NebulousViper wrote:
      Hm, I never really have so much of a problem with "popularity in Japan" because Chinese VOCALOIDs are targeted for Chinese fans mainly. :/ So whatever happens in NND with Tianyi, YANHE, Xin Hua and the upcoming new ones, I won't give a damn, sorry. That recent NND ranking never even bothered me one bit, even though Tianyi and YANHE were in the lower tier, because they're not meant for Japanese fans to simply put it. Bilibili is where the real stuff happens and that's where they really shine (except not much Xin Hua stuff show up on BB, I have to check NND and YouTube more often! :o I wonder if it has anything to do with tension between China and Taiwan?). It's the same for SeeU and CreCrew, but since that shut down not too long ago, she has to deal with NND and YouTube. :(

      Though, I can't say all Chinese fans like their VOCALOIDs more over the Japanese ones. Especially since before Tianyi released, they fancied Miku and Luka in particular and had an interest in Japanese VOCALOIDs. Even to the point of buying them and attempting to have them sing in Mandarin (which results vary from gaining backlash for it or not).

      And besides.... the Chinese fans tend to have their own kinds of drama ;_; Like fighting over producers (which I think was recent, actually, but I don't know the details), arguing over illegal acts of MMD, starting trouble with companies, and flaming anyone who gets in Ling's way (YANHE....).

      OH MAH GAWD ILY I HATE HATSUNE SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Why?

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    • 2601:49:4000:57A0:EC5B:8F2A:A79:E4 wrote:
      It's a bit of a controversial topic but...

      I think they hate her because she's one of the initial things some non-otakus think when they think of anime or Japan in general. Most of the people who hate her are like, "she so dumm xdddddddddddddd down wit meekoo" or what I call 'parent-type haters', who use racist terms for her and make fun of her voice with stuff like, "chee chwaa desu" and dumb stuff like that...Miku's not my favorite but I guess she's okay. I'd definitely side with her though when I see haters, though...

      I'm with you.

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    • The reasons I don't like Miku are as follows:

      1: Her voice is generic and unappealing. It sounds like any Japanese anime girl to me. It's also too high pitched for me, as I prefer deeper vocals.

      2: Her design looks dull to me. I don't know why, but she doesn't look very interesting.

      3: She sings way too many songs in my opinion, especially when the song would fit another VOCALOID better.

      4: Crypton puts nearly all their time and attention onto her, leaving some of their other VOCALOIDs such as MEIKO and KAITO over-looked. This could lead to them becoming unusable.

      I know most of these points were already stated, but I just wanted to put my opinion out there.

      Don't sue

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    • Kiroma337 wrote: The reasons I don't like Miku are as follows:

      1: Her voice is generic and unappealing. It sounds like any Japanese anime girl to me. It's also too high pitched for me, as I prefer deeper vocals.

      2: Her design looks dull to me. I don't know why, but she doesn't look very interesting.

      3: She sings way too many songs in my opinion, especially when the song would fit another VOCALOID better.

      4: Crypton puts nearly all their time and attention onto her, leaving some of their other VOCALOIDs such as MEIKO and KAITO over-looked. This could lead to them becoming unusable.

      I know most of these points were already stated, but I just wanted to put my opinion out there.

      Don't sue

      I agree on not focusing on other CFM Vocaloids beside Miku. Only one reason I don't like her: Overused. It's fine for CFM using her for hooking fans, but they also need to bring others as well. In overall, I still liked her and others.

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    • And what's wrong with hating Miku? Now people can't dislike a vocaloid? Do we have to like every single goddamn singing robot ever released?

      Look, the reason why I don't like her (or rather, it's more accurate to say that I strongly dislike her fans) is very simple: Some years ago it was the 10th aniversary of Meiko, and then Kaito. Crypton almost didn't give a flying fuck. If it's not for Meiko and Kaito, there wouldn't had been any Miku or any CV series in the first place. Let's not get started on the ridiculous amount of updates and voicebanks Miku is constantly getting, when it took literally years for crypton to release a simple update for KaiMei who were trapped inside the archaic vocaloid1 interface. Oh and lets not get started on Luka's append wait hell. God that sure was terrible, it was supposed to came out for vocaloid2 and in the end it ultimately was released for vocaloid4. They kept postposing her forever because there was always some Miku update going on that was obviously more important than luka, and when they actually finally released her append it was a huge disappointment to many luka fans they had years and years waiting for her, a botched job they called it. And CV04, the poor nameless stillborn that existed since around 2010-2011 who's never going to see light that's almost for sure, at least at this rate.

      But I don't want to talk now about the decadence of crypton as a vocaloid company but on all the paraphernallia they set up for Miku's goddamn 10th birthday. God there were still literal MONTHS left for it and people was already making tons of noise "hey in 5 MONTHS ITS GONNA BE 10 YEARS SINCE MIKU GOT RELEASED OMG!" They even set up a website with a countdown only for that or something, and a concert and all that shit, and stans wouldn't shut up, i wanted for the day to come as soon as possible as well but so stans would shut the fuck up already. Welp. Now it's over, and it looks like they are starting to remember that the Kagamine's birthday its going to be in 2 months as well! I think they are releasing two albums and thank you they didn't forget. I think, every single vocaloid fan I know from my social circle wouldn't even be into vocaloid by now if it wasn't by some Kagamine song. But eh, who cares about the twins, they are like Miku's little siblings or some shit.

      There is also this Hachi new song he made for said Miku's birthday, sand planet where there is criticism of the decadence of vocaloid (welp rather miku's from the pov of miku stans) fandom. Henny, this has been going on since 2013 at least. I remember a ridiculous number of japanese producers leaving the fandom after that year (many of my favorites) but no one cared because they weren't huge miku producers, gasp some of them even mained other voicebanks, can you believe it! When you argued vocaloid's popularity was going downhill, you were meet with Miku stans screaming "WTF WHAT ARE YOU ON!? LOOK AT insert here stats of goddamn Miku's figurines sells or some pointless shit like that>', 'MIKU'S CLEARLY STILL POPULARZ!!!1". Now that an outstanding Miku producer says it it must be true, though.


      Miku fans are too loud, are noisy, are annoying, are overdramatic, and are often the reason why many people ended up leaving the vocaloid fanbase and of its decadence on the first place. There, I said it. When someone says that they like Miku over any other vocaloid out of all other vocaloids tends to be because they don't care enough about the fandom to get in deeper and find other songs and other voices. 

      This is not only people's fault obviously. Imo, most of this is due Crypton's over commercialization of "Miku and her (barely mentioned) friends", which over the years I personally think it came out as a very artificial, forced representation of the vocaloid/cryptonloid fandom (i mean just compare an "official" vocaloid concert organized by sega with a fanmade one organized by people from niconico, with mmd models, and yet massively surprased sega's by long) I know most of you probably haven't been around/active enough deep into the fanbase to realize this but after vocaloid's popularity started to boom and Crypton started exploiting Miku's image many people started getting into Vocaloid because not because they found a vocaloid song on youtube they liked and from there started listening to more songs and getting deep into the fandom, no; many of the new fans heard of Hatsuni miku that internet animu girl with the crazy japanese made hologram concerts of, that had a car spot, and a domino's pizza campaign and videogames named after her and all that shit. Of course with that strong cult all over exclusively Miku's character who's gonna actually look on youtube for the good semi-obscure songs of not so well-known voicebanks from some years ago? Very few people actually. This also splashes japanese producers of course. Thanks god nowadays there are a lot of overseas active producers but some years ago only the japanese made the vocaloid songs.

      In niconico it went like this: some random japanese indie musician wanted exposure, they heard about Miku's hype; they bought/pirated some of her voicebanks and made some songs with it, got the exposure they wanted, they left. Then repeat. This became a huge vicious circle, because it became then even more pointless to use any voicebank that wasn't Miku's (with the exception of Gumi's or IA's maybe), because people on nico wouldn't bother on listen to a nobody's original song where they used Kaito, Gakupo, miki, iroha, or whatever the voice you want. In fact I still find good songs for other vocaloids when I browse nico, it's just... That they don't get many views because very few peole cares.

      This came out a loooot longer than intended, guess I really wanted to vent. So yeah, people hate Miku because she's popular, and this popularity came off as destructive. Hope I cleared some doubts for the newfriends around here ;)

         

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    • "i love and acknowledge all vocaloid characters equally but my deep respect for vocaloid truthfully comes from its ability to form a global community of artists where all individuals and especially young people are given the opportunity to express themselves and tell stories with infinite possibilities through a variety of media platforms where discovering your own values and skills is emphasized and encouraged to share with the world and i feel that hatsune miku embodies and symbolizes this phenomenon the most accurately."

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    • 185.217.68.245 Your post is interesting, because in it you never said you dislike Miku. You said you dislike Crypton's marketing, and you said you dislike Miku's fans. But niether of these things bare any relation to how good you think Hatsune Miku is. They are not reasons to dislike this Vocaloid product.

      If you dislike a Vocaloid, let it be for their voice or design. If it's not about those things, it's not the Vocaloid itself that you dislike.

      A TV show isn't low quality if it has high ratings, a muscian isn't bad because they sell well, and a Vocaloid isn't a bad Vocaloid because they are popular. So hating a Vocaloid for their popularity is misdirected.

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    • Kiroma337 wrote: The reasons I don't like Miku are as follows:

      1: Her voice is generic and unappealing. It sounds like any Japanese anime girl to me. It's also too high pitched for me, as I prefer deeper vocals.

      2: Her design looks dull to me. I don't know why, but she doesn't look very interesting.

      3: She sings way too many songs in my opinion, especially when the song would fit another VOCALOID better.

      4: Crypton puts nearly all their time and attention onto her, leaving some of their other VOCALOIDs such as MEIKO and KAITO over-looked. This could lead to them becoming unusable.

      I know most of these points were already stated, but I just wanted to put my opinion out there.

      Don't sue

      1. Actually, it stood out for some time and honestly... If you want "generic" your looking at Vocaloids like Meiko, Anon & Kanon and Gumi, as these vocals have the most vocals that either match or fall within their ranges and are considered "everyday vocals" or too many Vocaloids/voicebanks were produced near to their ranges or tones.

        As it stands, Miku pretty much stands out in her original voicebank even against other higher pitched vocals. This was on purpose as she was voice acted. To put it bluntly, you picked the wrong Vocaloid to call "generic".
      2. I've noticed over time they've lighted her design, but for me a lot of it was that she has a lot of tropes like "schoolgirl" and "pigtails" that are popular in anime and manga. BAre in mind, she wasn't intended to be a instant seller so the fault isn't hers with the design. The main issue is that her original design had a lot of grey. In colour theory, black is a killer, it kills colours faster and harder then white does and is frather flat. Black is better used for making other colours stand out. Dark greys risk doing the same, which is why I believe they've lightened both her design and the Kagamines, as well as Luka's. To me, the appeal of the design has lost a lot because its always in our face. I have not gone a day of being a Vocaloid fan without seeing Miku *somewhere*. In short, I've seen her everyday since later 2009... That's nearly 8 years of seeing the same design. To me it seems the problem isn't her dull design, its that she got lumbered with the design that made her popular in the first place and has had to have variations on it ever since.
      3. Can't fault popularity or producer's for overusing her. Popularity breeds popularity, so we all have to just give up here on her overuse. Supporting the use of alternative Vocaloids is better then cribbing on her being used too much.
      4. Meiko and Kaito aren't their Vocaloids, you should read their history. Their Vocaloids are Miku, Luka and the Kagamines. But yes, it is notable that after Luka V4x they worked on the Kagamines - and Miku too. So Miku had much longer development then the Kagamines and ended up being the best V4x for this reason. People wanna treat Meiko and Kaito the same as members of the CV series, but their not... Even to the point, the CV were originally voice acted and Meiko/Kaito were the professional vocals, so they aren't the same and even CFM does not treat them the same. If you read on their V3 versions, they did not process their samples like they did with the CV series and aside matching their tones to their V1 counterparts, they did nothing to dampen them. The V3 version was basically because V1 was being retired and this put them on priority to be updated. O.O

      Edit: @185.217.68.245, I am someone who dislikes Miku, and some fans don't believe I'm a true fan of Vocaloid for that reason. I've kinda done more for the Vocaloid spread of love then the majority of fans have done... In that I helped in the wikias early days bring it to what it is now, and that I overhauled the Wikipedia page... I haven't witnessed in a while, but... I did in the past and its kinda... Strange to me as I've always seen it as more important to love Vocaloid then a Vocaloid.

      They did nothing for the 10th Anniversary of Kaito and Meiko? As in response to the list above to another, these two aren't theirs to begin with and they have merely taken over part of their handling since V1 as the pair got popular and CFM were originally their sellers. Also...CFM did run events for both. There was a Kaito 10th anniversary AND a Meiko event. Look up "Glorious Blue" and "elegant record", both were albumns for the pair in celebration of their 10th.

      They were updated to V3 because of V1's retirement and were originally set for a v2 release but CFM failed to meet the deadline of V2. The same thing happened to Luka Append, Luka V3 and Kagamine V3... Vocaloid deadlines do not wait for CFM as they are not the only company around. They were, however, actually a priority for CFM as CFM makes some money from use of their image in their merchandise. There are far more Vocaloids who have not had these twos coverage. Say what you will, but I don't see whats wrong here with the pairs coverage. Its the V4 era that's a mess for CFM, not V2 or V3. And in due respects, Meiko has more capabilities in XSY then Luka has (if you take away EVEC), as well as either Kagamines, while Kaito ties with them.

      I do not blame them for over hyping Miku's 10th, as in terms of money her name is worth a lot to them. It earns far more then all vocals they sell and is the single most important voice to Vocaloid... A fact I do not like to write down here... But we wouldn't be here without Miku... ¬_¬

      As for CV04, again CFM is faced with deadlines of engine versions and is now stuck in a loop since 2009 of releasing the same vocals over and over. They cannot focus on new projects, because the pressure to meet demands is causing them to focus on the vocals they have and keep updating. Why does Miku have a V3 and V4? The same reason Gumi has, to make sure she doesn't loose her position in Vocaloid. Why does Miku bother with English and Chinese? To put herself into two new markets. CFM can't break out of the loop, they really are stuck in it and their victims of their own success with Miku. Fans EXPECT so much from them and her. Its the same problem that companies like Nintendo face with video games. Also, remember, CV04 wasn't part of the original plan, there was only a CV01 to CV03. They were going to move on after them. This is why CV04 wouldn't be a priority.

      As for the Kagamines, they were not that successful at first, have a much smaller fanbase and less demand. From a Kagamine POV, they are indeed appearing to be under valued, but from a business POV, they just aren't the money maker Miku is. Thinkof it this way, Pokémon's Pikachu is one of the most hated Pokémon in the game for it's over popularity, yet it has the most merchandise. Why? Because as well as the most hatred, it has the most support and love. Produce merch for all Pokémon nd Pikachu will sell the fastest and most in Japan and even outside to a degree. How well would a Dunsparce toy sell compare to a Pikachu one afterall?

      As for the circle of producers, its not so simple. Many producers early on had a selection of just 3 vocals to choose from; Miku, Rin and Len. Meiko and Kaito were old tech, forgotten and too difficult to use and unsupported for the most part. So most Vocaloid producers only had these 3 to side with and the Kagamines were a lemon release. Therefore Miku became known for her ease of use, compared to the Kagamines. In 2008 when Gackpoid was released, we had a new vocaloid... But... He was also hard to use. We then get Luka in 2009, who was easier to use and Gumi as well as the ah software trio. Out of all these vocals, Luka was the only one who was good, in fact she was better then Miku. But the hype had died in 2 years and many producers moved on. Producers did so either because they couldn't make it happen for them, or because they moved onto other things. Vocaloid became a footstep for many young producers to entre professional music after all. Unlike the overseas, the majority of producers had at least a good standard of music knowledge and thus thousands of songs were made in the first 2 years. Remember, they had LIMITED vocals to choose from and they always fell back to Miku because every other vocaloid was tougher to use. We didn't see V2 HQ vocals until late V2, with Iroha, the Appends and the VY's. All other V2's were MQ at best.

      Before you talk about topics, leave bias opinions at the door and please research the topic. I do not like Miku, but I know enough to talk serious about her (even though not everything I wanted to know). Hating her is fine, your entitled to your opinion... But... Opinions work best when their based on facts and your opinions basically are based on anger instead. Even though I do not always get it right and have my opinions, mine come from looking at Vocaloid facts almost every day since 2009 and it helps somewhat understand the situation. I hate the way English vocaloid was treated prior to V4, the way the Spanish vocaloids have gone... That Korean is also struggling. But at the same time, as I said we wouldn't be here for Miku. Its a grudge any good fan has to bare if they do not like her, as not enough songs of vocaloids we like are done at times. But being angry and hating her for things that aren't her fault, don't help. Instead focus on Vocaloids you like and not the one vocaloid you dislike.

      I still dream of a Miriam update... To me, the V3 Kaito and Meiko update were a lucky break for them. There are far worst situations within Vocaloid then the one CFM presents by its focus of Miku mostly. :-/

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    • 185.217.68.245 wrote:

      And what's wrong with hating Miku? Now people can't dislike a vocaloid? Do we have to like every single goddamn singing robot ever released?

      Look, the reason why I don't like her (or rather, it's more accurate to say that I strongly dislike her fans) is very simple: Some years ago it was the 10th aniversary of Meiko, and then Kaito. Crypton almost didn't give a flying [CENSORED]. If it's not for Meiko and Kaito, there wouldn't had been any Miku or any CV series in the first place. Let's not get started on the ridiculous amount of updates and voicebanks Miku is constantly getting, when it took literally years for crypton to release a simple update for KaiMei who were trapped inside the archaic vocaloid1 interface. Oh and lets not get started on Luka's append wait hell. God that sure was terrible, it was supposed to came out for vocaloid2 and in the end it ultimately was released for vocaloid4. They kept postposing her forever because there was always some Miku update going on that was obviously more important than Luka, and when they actually finally released her append it was a huge disappointment to many Luka fans they had years and years waiting for her, a botched job they called it. And CV04, the poor nameless stillborn that existed since around 2010-2011 who's never going to see light that's almost for sure, at least at this rate.

      But I don't want to talk now about the decadence of crypton as a vocaloid company but on all the paraphernallia they set up for Miku's goddamn 10th birthday. God there were still literal MONTHS left for it and people was already making tons of noise "Hey in 5 MONTHS ITS GONNA BE 10 YEARS SINCE MIKU GOT RELEASED OMG!" They even set up a website with a countdown only for that or something, and a concert and all that [CENSORED], and stans wouldn't shut up, I wanted for the day to come as soon as possible as well but so stans would shut the [CENSOERED] already. Welp. Now it's over, and it looks like they are starting to remember that the Kagamine's birthday its going to be in 2 months as well! I think they are releasing two albums and thank you they didn't forget. I think, every single vocaloid fan I know from my social circle wouldn't even be into vocaloid by now if it wasn't by some Kagamine song. But eh, who cares about the twins, they are like Miku's little siblings or some  [CENSORED].

      There is also this Hachi new song he made for said Miku's birthday, sand planet where there is criticism of the decadence of vocaloid (welp rather miku's from the pov of Miku stans) fandom. Henny, this has been going on since 2013 at least. I remember a ridiculous number of Japanese producers leaving the fandom after that year (many of my favorites) but no one cared because they weren't huge miku producers, gasp some of them even mained other voicebanks, can you believe it! When you argued vocaloid's popularity was going downhill, you were meet with Miku stans screaming "WTF WHAT ARE YOU ON!? LOOK AT insert here stats of goddamn Miku's figurines sells or some pointless [CENSORED] like that>', 'MIKU'S CLEARLY STILL POPULARZ!!!1". Now that an outstanding Miku producer says it it must be true, though.


      Miku fans are too loud, are noisy, are annoying, are overdramatic, and are often the reason why many people ended up leaving the vocaloid fanbase and of its decadence on the first place. There, I said it. When someone says that they like Miku over any other vocaloid out of all other vocaloids tends to be because they don't care enough about the fandom to get in deeper and find other songs and other voices. 

      This is not only people's fault obviously. Imo, most of this is due Crypton's over commercialization of "Miku and her (barely mentioned) friends", which over the years I personally think it came out as a very artificial, forced representation of the vocaloid/cryptonloid fandom (i mean just compare an "official" vocaloid concert organized by sega with a fanmade one organized by people from niconico, with mmd models, and yet massively surprased sega's by long) I know most of you probably haven't been around/active enough deep into the fanbase to realize this but after vocaloid's popularity started to boom and Crypton started exploiting Miku's image many people started getting into Vocaloid because not because they found a vocaloid song on youtube they liked and from there started listening to more songs and getting deep into the fandom, no; many of the new fans heard of Hatsuni miku that internet animu girl with the crazy japanese made hologram concerts of, that had a car spot, and a domino's pizza campaign and videogames named after her and all that shit. Of course with that strong cult all over exclusively Miku's character who's gonna actually look on youtube for the good semi-obscure songs of not so well-known voicebanks from some years ago? Very few people actually. This also splashes japanese producers of course. Thanks god nowadays there are a lot of overseas active producers but some years ago only the japanese made the vocaloid songs.

      In niconico it went like this: some random japanese indie musician wanted exposure, they heard about Miku's hype; they bought/pirated some of her voicebanks and made some songs with it, got the exposure they wanted, they left. Then repeat. This became a huge vicious circle, because it became then even more pointless to use any voicebank that wasn't Miku's (with the exception of Gumi's or IA's maybe), because people on nico wouldn't bother on listen to a nobody's original song where they used Kaito, Gakupo, miki, iroha, or whatever the voice you want. In fact I still find good songs for other vocaloids when I browse nico, it's just... That they don't get many views because very few peole cares.

      This came out a loooot longer than intended, guess I really wanted to vent. So yeah, people hate Miku because she's popular, and this popularity came off as destructive. Hope I cleared some doubts for the newfriends around here


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    • I will not make excuses for the CFM company, to me their a company with a lot of cracks at the seams. Prior to Miku Vocaloid was obscure, Internet co were the top music on-line provider of software... And CFM themselves were a tiny company. They went from nothing to a big deal practically overnight. They paid their price for their success by not being able to do much else with Vocaloid ever since but keep Miku no.1. Her name is at this point worth more as a character then it is as a vocaloid.

      The problem with always having to re-release a new version of a vocaloid is coming up with new ways to make this version better then the last. They really have to re-invent the wheel every time.

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    • The Japanese Fandom are much of a fan with Yukari Yuzaki than Miku. it's very much just fan demand to use the Synthensizer as a Cash Grab way to get money. the reality is that the songs used are from The Hall of Fame, unless if the other songs are well Popular enough then it will be in the Hall of Fame.

      in The Hall of Fame i could see why Other Vocaloids has little songs to reached but Luka might be appearing.

      The Song's don't get popular on Youtube they only get popular in Nico Nico Douga by exceeding 100,000 views until they reach hall of fame. Other Vocaloids Outsite Crypton aren't going to appear in Crypton's Concerts because they don't have the rights to used them unless those Companies demanded them to appear or they made there own band but it will cost a lot of Money.

      it will be obvious newcomer Vocaloids aren't going to appearing in Concerts very time soon. till Popular Demand Rise up (So Don't Expect Vocaloid such as Flower,Una,etc going to appear out so quickly). Well in America i believe that there is going to be a VOCALOID Concert only with the Western Companies such as PowerFX and Zero-G Limited, so don't expect other Companies going to join in.

      Miku isn't really Popular World wide (Basically that's just a lie). in Reality she's just Infamous for being Overused (Basically She or i mean IT is an Advertisement or just easy.) unless you go protest in Crypton's Website and Demand Kagamine Rin/Ren or Other Vocaloids to appear in there concerts more often. Here is the site so go get em. (i don't even know why i spend haft an hour explaining this!?) https://www.crypton.co.jp/cfm/inquiry-aboutus_en

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    • My problem with Miku is that people who dont know much about Vocaloid tend to say that she is the ONLY Vocaloid when that is obviously wrong, and that some (not all) vocaloid fans automatically think that she is the best. I have no problem with producers using Miku or her songs or her design. I guess its just the fans, but the ones who mostly think that way are new. Really I just wanna see other vocaloids (like Fukase for example who is my favorite) get more popular and have more songs. So we lash out on her mostly because of her popularity. 

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    • 122.2.233.179 wrote:
      I guess its just the fans, but the ones who mostly think that way are new.


      I only quote this because I find it amusing whenever you do come across that rare "veteran" fan who actually does behave like this (and the only reason why "veteran" is in quotes is because we don't really know if they're "veterans" or not to be honest. And it's amusing in itself when even plenty of new fans know there's at least 8 VOCALOIDs (should they choose not to explore further), even better if they know beyond 8).

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    • @CyborgGOAT; actually, Miku is the most popular Vocaloid in Japan, her name sells alone. Yukari, sadly isn't anywhere near her, in fact... Her closet rivals are usually ranked as Rin and Gumi and they are only 1/3-1/5 as popular. Most Japanese general population has only heard of Miku, the other Vocaloids they barely know of.

      Basically, Miku's name and content is 8x that of any other Vocaloid -period-.There is no competition, and bothering CFM with protests over this don't make a lick of difference. 95% of all Vocaloid content is Miku themed, or focused above -all- other Vocaloids. I can faithfully say there has not been a single day since 2009 I have not seen her face plastered in my face, and I visit several Japanese fan sites a day for news + tabs. :-/

      This is why even if I did like her vocal, I wouldn't find her herself interesting as you can't escape her. A lot of the time the other CFM only get a look in if they have merch released with her stuff as a set. Collectors then will collect all of them. But if they release her on her own, she mostly does well. Even broad world wide, she is overall still most popular, even if you discount the fact she is often the only vocaloid anyone has heard of.

      I wish it was different, but the reality of the situation is what it is. I cannot stress this, as if you think its any different you really haven't seen the bigger picture. Its why if your like me and a Miku dislike, you just have to learn to live with her, as you can't really escape her. She is EVERYWHERE. =_=

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    • Muy cierto, yo lo odio con todo mi alma y corazon ( ella es muy fea, ademas no tiene ni siquiera pecho es tan PLANA) No la odio por los pechos pero es demasiada popular y la usan demasiado para logo y todo. Su estilo es muy rara, y la voz en las canciones no la escucho bien y se mucho japones, o sea que mi madre es japonesa y mi padre canadiense y mi hermana es español ( Una familia my rara no?) And she is very ..... And l prefiero .a 鏡音リン·レン ella es mas beautiful 

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    • 201.203.99.147 wrote: Muy cierto, yo lo odio con todo mi alma y corazon ( ella es muy fea, ademas no tiene ni siquiera pecho es tan PLANA) No la odio por los pechos pero es demasiada popular y la usan demasiado para logo y todo. Su estilo es muy rara, y la voz en las canciones no la escucho bien y se mucho japones, o sea que mi madre es japonesa y mi padre canadiense y mi hermana es español ( Una familia my rara no?) And she is very ..... And l prefiero .a 鏡音リン·レン ella es mas beautiful 

      English please... what do you mean by the word you said in Spanish??
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    • This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.

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    • Asked a friend for a translation. Something along the lines of "That's true, I hate her with all my heart and soul (she's really ugly, and also has no chest she's so FLAT) I do not hate her because of her chest but she's too popular and she get's used for the mascot for everything and all. Her style is really weird and her voice in songs can't be heard properly and I know Japanese, I mean my mum is Japanese, my father Canadian and my sister Spanish (A really weird family right?) And I prefer Rin and Len, very beautiful."

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @CyborgGOAT; actually, Miku is the most popular Vocaloid in Japan, her name sells alone. Yukari, sadly isn't anywhere near her, in fact... Her closet rivals are usually ranked as Rin and Gumi and they are only 1/3-1/5 as popular. Most Japanese general population has only heard of Miku, the other Vocaloids they barely know of.

      Basically, Miku's name and content is 8x that of any other Vocaloid -period-.There is no competition, and bothering CFM with protests over this don't make a lick of difference. 95% of all Vocaloid content is Miku themed, or focused above -all- other Vocaloids. I can faithfully say there has not been a single day since 2009 I have not seen her face plastered in my face, and I visit several Japanese fan sites a day for news + tabs. :-/

      This is why even if I did like her vocal, I wouldn't find her herself interesting as you can't escape her. A lot of the time the other CFM only get a look in if they have merch released with her stuff as a set. Collectors then will collect all of them. But if they release her on her own, she mostly does well. Even broad world wide, she is overall still most popular, even if you discount the fact she is often the only vocaloid anyone has heard of.

      I wish it was different, but the reality of the situation is what it is. I cannot stress this, as if you think its any different you really haven't seen the bigger picture. Its why if your like me and a Miku dislike, you just have to learn to live with her, as you can't really escape her. She is EVERYWHERE. =_=

      true she's everyware but everyware doesn't mean popularity. Miku is much more common than you think is popular till today,something common can be mistaken as popularity like world wide in the internet and not everything in the internet is true.

      the songs get's Popular not the Character itself due to being commonly used. her songs are not made by the same person but created by users who uses her voicebank. "blame them for making a inanimate imaginary character goes world wide. "

      but for Yuzaki Yukari is getting a lot more of attention in there fandom not the songs but just the character in the japanese community. 

      stock with fan Illustrations,Doujinshi and mostly Memes. tagged along with the Voiceroid known as Tsurumaki Maki or she might just be popular in the Voiceroid fandom than in the Vocaloid fandom. (i'm getting Off topic here.) 

      You're Answer describe why Miku is Popular is that she's just a common known character to be overused. 

      I don't force anyone to like the imaginery character that has no emotion or lifeless but the thing i wanted to say that her Popularity is basically just being commonly known character in the fandom and most of the characters are used commonly in many works. 

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.

      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

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    • 165.155.200.74 wrote:

      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.

      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

      Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

      The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

      @GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

      And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:

      165.155.200.74 wrote:

      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.
      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

      Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

      The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

      @GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

      And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

      @ Angel: I wans't even close to curse.

      @ Angel & GOAT: Yeah, seriously, the fandom on Miku is overloaded like MIKU IS THE BEST, MIKU IS SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS. I wish CFM change "Miku Expo" to "CFM Expo" or something like that to make her less fandomish.

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    • And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

      but it's good thing.

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    • UberMillennium RailgunPro wrote:
      Angel Emfrbl wrote:

      165.155.200.74 wrote:


      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.
      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

      Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

      The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

      @GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

      And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

      @ Angel: I wans't even close to curse.

      @ Angel & GOAT: Yeah, seriously, the fandom on Miku is overloaded like MIKU IS THE BEST, MIKU IS SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS. I wish CFM change "Miku Expo" to "CFM Expo" or something like that to make her less fandomish.

      Really? I see more people say "Len or Rin is the best" than Miku. and I don't see people said " Miku is superior than other". If you mean "I like Miku", it's because they like Miku, or it's their favourite vocaloid (Everyone is allowed to have a favourite vocaloid)

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    • 1.132.109.203 wrote:

      UberMillennium RailgunPro wrote:
      Angel Emfrbl wrote:

      165.155.200.74 wrote:


      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.
      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

      Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

      The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

      @GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

      And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

      @ Angel: I wans't even close to curse.

      @ Angel & GOAT: Yeah, seriously, the fandom on Miku is overloaded like MIKU IS THE BEST, MIKU IS SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS. I wish CFM change "Miku Expo" to "CFM Expo" or something like that to make her less fandomish.

      Really? I see more people say "Len or Rin is the best" than Miku. and I don't see people said " Miku is superior than other". If you mean "I like Miku", it's because they like Miku, or it's their favourite vocaloid (Everyone is allowed to have a favourite vocaloid)

      Yeah, I'm in a FB group called "Kagamine Expo", but still... How can you explain Miku have 2.5 million fans (from CFM page @ FB)
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    • 1.132.109.203 wrote:

      UberMillennium RailgunPro wrote:
      Angel Emfrbl wrote:

      165.155.200.74 wrote:


      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.
      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

      Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

      The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

      @GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

      And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

      @ Angel: I wans't even close to curse.

      @ Angel & GOAT: Yeah, seriously, the fandom on Miku is overloaded like MIKU IS THE BEST, MIKU IS SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS. I wish CFM change "Miku Expo" to "CFM Expo" or something like that to make her less fandomish.

      Really? I see more people say "Len or Rin is the best" than Miku. and I don't see people said " Miku is superior than other". If you mean "I like Miku", it's because they like Miku, or it's their favourite vocaloid (Everyone is allowed to have a favourite vocaloid)

      This is a little bit of a odd thing, but its a simple case of the Kagamine fans have always been the loudest members of the fandom, mostly because of the audience they attract. The Kagamines more or less attract the tween-mid teen age group, which on the net tend to be a very active part of any fandom. Whereas Miku attracts manga/anime fans in general (basically any age from tween-young adult, the age group is much wider). Its also why the Kagamine fans have a bad reputation among the rest of the fandom... They also don't change... They are still discussing the same subjects they have done since 2007, like their "relationship".

      So they may seem really popular, but they do not succeed Miku. Lets put it this way, Avanna was the most successful Zero-G vocaloid at the time of her release, nobody knew this because her fandom presence was low. Meanwhile, SeeU had a strong presence but didn't do so well as she was popular, doing better in Japan then Korea and still doing bad overall.

      So this is the problem, we get this a lot in Vocaloid, a vocaloid being a hit with the fans, but the sales or true popularity aren't the same. Every time a poll is done in Japan, the only Vocaloid most seem to have heard of was Miku. In 2009, she was everywhere in Japan, especially in Tokyo. No other vocaloid has had the same success or popularity since. Its why Japan sent Miku "into the world" to sell Vocaloid, instead of showing off any of the English vocaloids, because "Miku is the most popular"... The way she was sold also gave the impression Vocaloid had never touched northern American soil, when the truth was far from it, since Leon and Lola failed to impact America "back in the day".

      In fact, Miku's bid for the west led to a lot of misgivings about her since some of the credit she got was actually done first by western Vocaloids. The way CFM sold her, however, was to do things like word things in a way that they failed to acknowledge Sweet Ann as the first V2, for example. This remains today, as Miku is the most popular vocaloid and still is sold just as that... But she still isn't the best vocaloid. I said to Viper I believe that some of the problems reported for her Chinese voicebank are in her other V4 vocals, but you can't really talk about it. People can be snappy, unless you have "proof the faults exist". Whereas with something like the Kagamines, everything is known about their faults therefore people just accept they were bad in V2.

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    • UberMillennium RailgunPro wrote:

      1.132.109.203 wrote:


      UberMillennium RailgunPro wrote:
      Angel Emfrbl wrote:

      165.155.200.74 wrote:



      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other.
      My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

      @Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender

      Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

      The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

      @GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

      And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it???

      @ Angel: I wans't even close to curse.

      @ Angel & GOAT: Yeah, seriously, the fandom on Miku is overloaded like MIKU IS THE BEST, MIKU IS SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS. I wish CFM change "Miku Expo" to "CFM Expo" or something like that to make her less fandomish.

      Really? I see more people say "Len or Rin is the best" than Miku. and I don't see people said " Miku is superior than other". If you mean "I like Miku", it's because they like Miku, or it's their favourite vocaloid (Everyone is allowed to have a favourite vocaloid)
      Yeah, I'm in a FB group called "Kagamine Expo", but still... How can you explain Miku have 2.5 million fans (from CFM page @ FB

      Ignore this please... made a mistake

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    • Deleted it please. You didn’t need to do that. Because it’s nothing to do with this discussion.

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    • 1.132.107.252 wrote: Deleted it please. You didn’t need to do that. Because it’s nothing to do with this discussion.

      Fine...
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    • 1.132.107.252 wrote:
      Deleted it please. You didn’t need to do that. Because it’s nothing to do with this discussion.

      I give up Meerkat and the admins... (deleted that photo again)...

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro

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    • Unless your told to by a mod or bureaucrat...

      Its fine to have that link, unless the IP is a admin or bureaucrat (judging by the double post...) they can't order you to remove it.

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    • Ah now it makes sense what is going on! :-D

      Back on topic then!

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      I deleted the image because it was an image that did not belong on the wiki. Images have to have no relation to articles are counted as spam. Please link to personal images on personal image hosts such as imigur or giphy.

      Ok Meerkat thank you on the advice...

      Testing on imigur

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    • So lots people say Miku is cutest, Miku is the most popular Vocaloid, Miku is the best,... But nobody said she has the best voice =))))))))))))))))))))))))

      Oh please, we LISTEN to music, not WATCH to music! >:|

      I think Gumi should be the best Vocaloid. Maybe her desigh is not very beautiful, but her voice is most perfect. It's a true :333 Unfortunately, she isn't really famous...

      And sorry, my Englissh is really really bad *cry*

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    • Well the issue is defining what is "the best" vocaloid. For example, in Vocaloid2 the best quality Vocaloid in English was considered Prima, and for opera there was no vocaloid who could compete with her. But she was really hard to use outside of opera. Meanwhile, sweet Ann who was a MQ vocaloid had could be more useful for more songs as her vocal have a lot of flexibility. She could sound innocent or sexy (which is why I hate the boxart bias) and was actually the overall best vocaloid for general use.

      As a former fan of Gumi, I can say she is also far from perfect. Her voicebank has been great cleaned up over time and they've added more, but the voice range and tempo are basically the same no matter what voicebank you use. So there is often not much difference between owning voicebanks based on her. Meanwhile Miku's current 5 vocals have specific reasons for using each voice, their tempos and ranges make one a pick over the others for a some. They give very different results based on which vocal is used while Gumi more or less is the same no matter what vocal you use.

      Many of the newer vocaloid since V3 and V4 have larger voice ranges and tempos also overall, and at times Miku and Gumi are held back by their V2 voicebank creation era. One advantage Gumi has though is being part of the massive XSY group "Internet" while Miku is part of the "Miku V4x" XSY group which contains only her V3 and V4 vocals. Though she has a English XSY group and Gumi doesn't, we must note since July AHS have created a English XSY group for Macne Nana. This means there is potential for a XSY group for English to grow much larger then anything Miku can offer. And plus, Miku's English advantage isn't too far from Luka, but out of the two she has the greater in English as Luka's two vocals are copy and pastes of the same results... Therefore barely count for much. ¬_¬'

      As I mentioned, Gumi 's vocal range and tempo haven't changed since V2 at all... Miku's .vocal ranges of all voicebanks, in contrast, have been slowly increasing over time with a few new keys added here and there to some vocals. So Miku improves each generation, while Gumi just adds more voicebanks.

      Miku has also had no other vocaloid sound the same as her as of yet. Whereas Gumi has fallen into the "common vocal" type group which a lot of vocaloids who are female are a part of sadly. The closet is likely VY1 who often sounds like a more mature Miku but has an accent Miku doesn't. The other cutesy vocals either end up mid-range or too childish or cutesy. So for Miku, Miu is one of the "unique" sounding vocal types... I'm sure that will change though sooner or later.

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    • 117.1.203.62 wrote:
      So lots people say Miku is cutest, Miku is the most popular Vocaloid, Miku is the best,... But nobody said she has the best voice =))))))))))))))))))))))))

      Oh please, we LISTEN to music, not WATCH to music! >:|

      I think Gumi should be the best Vocaloid. Maybe her desigh is not very beautiful, but her voice is most perfect. It's a true :333 Unfortunately, she isn't really famous...

      And sorry, my Englissh is really really bad *cry*

      No Vocaloids are perfect. I like and dislike Miku at the same time. Still, to me, I liked the others like Meiko for mature feminine voice. Gumi for achieving platinum badge (2nd place), yet Miku is in diamond (1st place). And yes, I do agree with you with overloaded fandom on Miku. I told my reason for the dislike.

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro (can't use FB in school for login)....

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      Well the issue is defining what is "the best" vocaloid. For example, in Vocaloid2 the best quality Vocaloid in English was considered Prima, and for opera there was no vocaloid who could compete with her. But she was really hard to use outside of opera. Meanwhile, sweet Ann who was a MQ vocaloid had could be more useful for more songs as her vocal have a lot of flexibility. She could sound innocent or sexy (which is why I hate the boxart bias) and was actually the overall best vocaloid for general use.

      As a former fan of Gumi, I can say she is also far from perfect. Her voicebank has been great cleaned up over time and they've added more, but the voice range and tempo are basically the same no matter what voicebank you use. So there is often not much difference between owning voicebanks based on her. Meanwhile Miku's current 5 vocals have specific reasons for using each voice, their tempos and ranges make one a pick over the others for a some. They give very different results based on which vocal is used while Gumi more or less is the same no matter what vocal you use.

      Many of the newer vocaloid since V3 and V4 have larger voice ranges and tempos also overall, and at times Miku and Gumi are held back by their V2 voicebank creation era. One advantage Gumi has though is being part of the massive XSY group "Internet" while Miku is part of the "Miku V4x" XSY group which contains only her V3 and V4 vocals. Though she has a English XSY group and Gumi doesn't, we must note since July AHS have created a English XSY group for Macne Nana. This means there is potential for a XSY group for English to grow much larger then anything Miku can offer. And plus, Miku's English advantage isn't too far from Luka, but out of the two she has the greater in English as Luka's two vocals are copy and pastes of the same results... Therefore barely count for much. ¬_¬'

      As I mentioned, Gumi 's vocal range and tempo haven't changed since V2 at all... Miku's .vocal ranges of all voicebanks, in contrast, have been slowly increasing over time with a few new keys added here and there to some vocals. So Miku improves each generation, while Gumi just adds more voicebanks.

      Miku has also had no other vocaloid sound the same as her as of yet. Whereas Gumi has fallen into the "common vocal" type group which a lot of vocaloids who are female are a part of sadly. The closet is likely VY1 who often sounds like a more mature Miku but has an accent Miku doesn't. The other cutesy vocals either end up mid-range or too childish or cutesy. So for Miku, Miu is one of the "unique" sounding vocal types... I'm sure that will change though sooner or later.

      Interesting facts, I didn't know anything about it. And the part "Gumi's vocal range never changes since V2", this may not fit on some speedy songs like Hatsune Miku no Shoushitsu. I also agree that "there's no such thing as perfect Vocaloid"

      -UberMillennium RailgunPro

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    • I've seen people think a voclaoid is overall the best or perfect. Reality is a perfect vocaloid would be able to do anything flawlessly all while not even being mistaken for a machine. Since none can, this means all vocaloid are far from perfect. But honestly? The idea of a "perfect" voclaoid is really, really boring to me. I look back on the vocaloids and see the strengths and weakness as really interesting.

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