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  • I see everywhere on youtube comments like I hate Meiko, Meiko is such a bitch, Meiko can't sing! " and so on... just, why? I love her, her voice is really cool and I just can't understand why do people hate her... 


    //Sorry for my English, I'm Czech.. xD

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    • If people is talking about her, then you should feel happy that people is talking about her.

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    • Hm, lemme think of the reasons :

      • Did you know that any character that shows off a bit of skin, especially females, are considered sluts in most fandoms? MEIKO is no exception here despite her design not being all that sexualised.
      • Many people don't like her voice, this being simply a preference thing so I can't go too much into this.
      • Many newbish fans are stupid enough to think that the VOCALOID's character in a song is their entire character when it's a matter of they only act like that in a song, or a song series.
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    • I think it's mainly KaiMiku shippers. That's not a good reason to dislike a vocaloid, but people do it.

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    • Fingersoop wrote:
      If people is talking about her, then you should feel happy that people is talking about her.

      I also wish to point out how arrogant and dare I say biggoted this statement is. If someone came up on the street and decided to punch you then you wouldn't be happy if I went around and say "Well you should be happy that someone wanted to touch you!"

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    • @Serza, what they mean is at least they know she exists... I don't think being punched (a physical act) is the same as speaking about something (a verbal act). For one, talking only hurts a person's pride at the most, punching on the other hand can hurt, even knock someone out or kill them if they hit the right spot.

      I find with Meiko, the issues with her is just most don't see anything special about her. She has always been the "medium" toned vocal of CFM, the "any girl voice". She is both uninteresting to many in vocal and design. I'm one of those that uses Meiko as baseless to decided if I do or don't like a Vocaloid because I've always consider her the mean (maths "mean" people not "bad" mean!) vocal to judge all vocaloids by.

      And for all the hate you may think she gets... She is still one of the 8.  :-/

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    • While it certainly doesn't makes OP's complaints illegitimate, there is a small something to be said for 'bad press'; for one thing it lowers new people's standards and there's often a backlash – people saying 'Hey, I don't think she's so bad', etc. It's the opposite to hype aversion. It also spreads the knowledge that the Vocaloid actually exists, in the Vocaloid fandom, having most people know your Vocaloid exists is a significant thing to achieve. Most Vocaloids lack popularity partially for the simple reason that they are not part of the public consciousness. This brings in new fans as well as dissenters.

      I'm only mentioning these plus sides because Meiko has a significant fanbase, if it were a Rebecca Black situation where almost everyone hated her these pros to bad press would likely not exist.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @Serza, what they mean is at least they know she exists... I don't think being punched (a physical act) is the same as speaking about something (a verbal act). For one, talking only hurts a person's pride at the most, punching on the other hand can hurt, even knock someone out or kill them if they hit the right spot.

      The idea that being "punched" does a lot more damage to ones person that is not the point I was attempting to make. As someone who is unfortunate enough to like an unpopular character (much more to the extreme than what MEIKO gets) there are times when it is much better to have small attention on a character rather than a much larger one where most of the people slander insults at them. That is of course to say different from receivng critisim, but i'm assuming OP is looking more at the standard youtube commenter splurring "MEIKO sucks" on all her vids.

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    • @Serza, you know I'm going to do this sort of reaction by now right? I mean no harm.  ;-)

      I like English vocals, I can ensure everyone right now if you read the V4 topic at VO, there is almost nothing on Meiko and already a page worth of hate at Engloids. Any time there is a chance, particularly two individuals are well known to cease the moment, there is always a jab at English vocaloid.

      Nothing anyone says about Meiko comes close to this level.

      If not for Oliver's popular being higher then vocals like SeeU....

      the topic reminds me of the first time Luka went off the ranking due to the release of Kaito V3 messing everything. We had several people going "oh noes, Luka's not in the top 3 vocals anymore, crisis!".

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    • KaiMiku vs KaiMei

      People don't like her voice

      People don't tent to like characters showing skin

      Fanmade personalities treated as canon :|

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    • I think they hate MEIKO because she is just too awesome for them. xD or maybe because they take her design too seriously,OR maybe just because she sounds too mature for them. Did you know that KAITO was also 'not well received' when he was released? look at him now...just ignore those stupid comments. They just want to say 'no' when everyone else is saying 'yes' 

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    • ^KAITO was not well received because male VOCALOIDs don't sell as well as females and he sold less than 1000 units in his first, marking him as a comercial failure.  It was not out of hate and comments, therefore, this does not apply to MEIKO.  

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @Serza, what they mean is at least they know she exists... I don't think being punched (a physical act) is the same as speaking about something (a verbal act). For one, talking only hurts a person's pride at the most, punching on the other hand can hurt, even knock someone out or kill them if they hit the right spot.

      I find with Meiko, the issues with her is just most don't see anything special about her. She has always been the "medium" toned vocal of CFM, the "any girl voice". She is both uninteresting to many in vocal and design. I'm one of those that uses Meiko as baseless to decided if I do or don't like a Vocaloid because I've always consider her the mean (maths "mean" people not "bad" mean!) vocal to judge all vocaloids by.

      And for all the hate you may think she gets... She is still one of the 8. :-/

      she seems more of deeper female voice than medium vocal. she sound muture but she a good voice if like her voice. I guess she sound to muture for some poeple.

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    • Some reasons I can think of:
      - Her design isn't futuristic / fantasy-ish or something. With which, making people regard her as some neutral, ordinary character
      - They hate her because of a certain depiction they can't unsee
      - Her voice isn't cute / moe / kawaii
      - She's V1 (or at least they got stuck in that phase even if she has V3 now)
      - She sounds like Ryuuto... at times >_>
      - Lastly, just because :P

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    • Her re-design bugged the HELL out of me, they could have done so much more to it for her V3 version, they did more for Kaito. In some cases unlike Kaito's, it also LOST some of the detail is had in her V1 design. >_<

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    • @Angel - I'm not sure if they didn't think things through or they simply wanted to preserve her simplistic, minimalist design. I can tell they had lots of room for improvement for KAITO as fans were bickering over his new design, pretty much. With the scarf-thingy; if it stays or not... :/ Crypton seemed to have focused on his design rather than the vocal, I guess :P

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    • Bluemask wrote: @Angel - I'm not sure if they didn't think things through or they simply wanted to preserve her simplistic, minimalist design. I can tell they had lots of room for improvement for KAITO as fans were bickering over his new design, pretty much. With the scarf-thingy; if it stays or not... :/ Crypton seemed to have focused on his design rather than the vocal, I guess :P

      There were a several unused vocals for Kaito even then.

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    • I can see why iXima might have feared changing much of her design, haha, it's change which makes fans most rabid. But it is a shame she lost some detail.

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    • I think its Miku fans which arnt very happy to find out miku isnt the first vocaloid.

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    • 67.70.65.160 wrote: I think its Miku fans which arnt very happy to find out miku isnt the first vocaloid.

      If they even know she isn't the first vocaloid :P Many don't. I'd say it's KaiMiku shippers hating because KaiMei is popular and because they don't like her revealing design, her voice, or things like that. Or it could be someone looking for a fight...

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    • To be fair, Miku herself gets far, far more hate then any other Vocaloid that has been produced overall. Some of the hate directed at Vocaloid itself from anti-Vocaloid folks is because they only know Miku and the other 7 and most are reacting to Miku herself in particular due to her fame.

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    • Meiko certainly is an acquired taste when it comes to what vocals a person likes. Not to mention that working with Meiko alone was always hard and if you did a good job at editing her voice it meant you had some serious skill since you had to deal with the unforgiving V1 software. And well just comparing her V1 with how all the other Vocaloids as a whole can sound was a bit harsh since all of them had updates including Kaito that Meiko never received until her V3. But generally Meiko's voice has a strong tone that doesn't waver much which I enjoy.

      Personally Meiko is tied with Megurine Luka and IA for me being my favorites and I just wish she did get a bit more attention based on songs sung in the concerts and songs added in Project Diva but you know...they're going to sell their main hits just like Nintendo with Mario everywhere. I just respect her for being the first Japanese Vocaloid in existence and just celebrated her 10th anniversary this month.

      On that note naturally we have the unfortunate extreme ignorance of fans and the spreading of false information of personalities, ages, and of course the never ending shipping wars. In relation to just people who think she is suggested towards a more sexual theme...it doesn't help with some of the designs in Project Diva alone at times (like Nostalogic...having a mere belt covering her chest) but people need to realize that other Vocaloids are just as bad at times. If anything Miku and Rin both don't wear that much more than what Meiko is now perceived in design.

      One thing that does bother me though is when people put "sakine" with the original Meiko and well "shion" with Kaito as well but there isn't much to be done there. But just the automatic assumption of if Meiko sings in a higher pitch its automatically Sakine. But hey people like what they like.

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    • It annoys the hell out of me that people think "shion" and "sakine" are their surnames also. The number of people I've said "its just Kaito" to is crazy stupid. Once someone tried to claim CFM wanted to change it to "Shion", but when I asked for proof they had none.

      Kaito and Meiko aren't 100% CFM's to control even now.

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    • Tbh... With her V3 out, I feel as if a lot of her hate has declined.... And if there is any hate, it's from KaiMiku shippers.

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    • I think also the concept of Meiko and Kaito being from the V1 series and counterparts is additionally starting to make the issue go away. Basically like Prima and Tonio, Meiko and Kaito were made for each other originally and that concept has mostly been kept in check, with understanding that Miku was part of the CV series. Plus, time is progressing the fandom, people aren't just interested in CFM anymore and the fans who the shipping have matured and aren't the young teens anymore. With maturity comes lessening of ignorance and mroe openness.

      Additionally... Some fans have moved on, like all trends fans who came into the fandom initially out of trend-hype left with the next big thing that came along.

      there is other factors like understanding what Vocaloid is now slowly kicking in.

      So the shipping bickering has died down as a combination of many things, some bigger issues then others. :-/

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    • Quite honestly, I've been seeing her grow. I know she's grown in popularity, especially since she created the Snow White Princess Is version that is so large it's almost at 1 million views on YT and possibly the biggest MEIKO hit in a long time.

      I think what caused her to die was that she was V1, but I heard her V3 sales were pretty good too. (though I'm probobly wrong.) She also has been discovered to have a pretty good range from what I've heard. People are telling me to buy her English V3.

      There's also a lot of people who really don't realistic vocals. Miku and the Kagamines and even Megpoid aren't that realistic. MEIKO is pretty realistic.

      Looking around, I've been seeing her sorta "restart" in a way. When I joined the fandom at the V2 era people hated her, which caused he to sorta lose popularity, but I've been seeing her grow again. I know personally I really hated her voice until her V3 came along.  

      I've seen a lot of covers using her recently, and I'm hoping she gets some more originals. But, I guess she is a Big 8 vocal, meaning she's not small.

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    • 209.195.72.249 wrote:
      Obviously, the reason is Kaito x Miku shippers who tells Meiko to f##k off.. I ship Kaito and Meiko and Miku x Len.

      I LOVE YOU SO MUCH I SHIP BOTH OF THOSE.

      But anyway, that's not my point. I don't really see why people should hate Meiko. Honestly, I explode everytime I see comments like "UGH MEIKO IS SO MEAN CUZ SHE STOLE KAITO FROM MIKU UGGHH SHE SHOULD DIE" First of all, Kaito and Meiko were voice partners. I'm not just saying this because I ship KaiMei, but because it's true. If you pitch up Kaito's voice, it'll sound like Meiko because I've seen some Kaiko MMDs where she sounds like Meiko. Another reason is because Meiko's outfit is a bit revealing. Personally, I don't like how revealing it is. But everybody is just like "meiko is a bad girl because she wears half shirts". I hate that! So that means Rin is a bad girl? And that means Galaco is CV04 because Kei drew her? You can't just JUDGE her like that. Here is a video that really got on my nerves.The video filled with Meiko hate. Basically everybody dies and Miku marries Kaito. >:T

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    • "counterparts" is what your looking for... Which just means they were built to compliment each other. Like Prima/Tonio, Leon/Lola and the VY duo.

      Miku is from the CV series and is not based on the shame direction as them... In fact, the pair weren't CFM vocaloids originally.

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    • It's usually due to borderline retarded fans that must absolutely ship Kaito with [insert generic cryptonloid here] and Meiko "gets in the way" of their OTP. :/ #EveryVOCALOIDFanficEver

      However, I think it's mostly due to how poorly she's been interpreted in the fandom... Like, she's viewed as an abusive drunk in many videos (which honestly pisses me off due to... reasons) and/or a prostitute. Who's bright freakin' idea was it to start that trend?

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    • @Arcadelily

      I actually haven't seen much of MEIKO's bad stereotypes as much, but still alcohol as her personal item. 

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    • From what I've seen, not only is it because of all the ignorant people who think songs are canon, the crazy rabid shippers, and her design backlash, but also because I found that since so many people listened to Miku as their first Vocaloid, a lot of people keep on saying that "her voice isn't cute enough!" or "her voice sux too mature" or "not kawaii". ( -_-) 

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    • CaiyinMusic wrote:
      From what I've seen, not only is it because of all the ignorant people who think songs are canon, the crazy rabid shippers, and her design backlash, but also because I found that since so many people listened to Miku as their first Vocaloid, a lot of people keep on saying that "her voice isn't cute enough!" or "her voice sux too mature" or "not kawaii". ( -_-) 

      Sadly... I like Meiko for her mature style and tone. It's a shame she gets so much flak for this.

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    • Arcadelily wrote:
      CaiyinMusic wrote:
      From what I've seen, not only is it because of all the ignorant people who think songs are canon, the crazy rabid shippers, and her design backlash, but also because I found that since so many people listened to Miku as their first Vocaloid, a lot of people keep on saying that "her voice isn't cute enough!" or "her voice sux too mature" or "not kawaii". ( -_-) 
      Sadly... I like Meiko for her mature style and tone. It's a shame she gets so much flak for this.

      I love her mature vocals as well... Sadly, at least half of the proclaimed fandom prefer cutesy sounding voices like Rin and Miku... 

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    • In my opinion, the hate comes from the song choices for the games. The songs they choose for the games are really not very good imo XD I'm personally not a big fan of Boukyaku Shinjuu nor Shu-T's songs they put in the games and she sounded nothing like her normal software in Nostalogic. People are now starting to like her though since PDF2nd came out because she sounds freaking awesome singing Kowase, Kowase. I mean, when I first started playing the games, I based it off that and plus I just thought her design was boring, especially since she barely got any modules. I remember being a total noob, Miku was my favorite. And then the twins. Just like it goes for most of the fandom xD The problem is that most people don't do much research outside of what's popular to reach the next step. 

      Another thing is that her voice is VERY unique among vocaloids. Most female vocaloids sound very similar, but she's pretty much the only one you will find with such mature, deep, raspy/nasally vocals. The only one, imo, you can compare her to is Kanon, who can sometimes sound similar to her when hitting lower notes. 

      Imma just end this post saying that MEIKO is now my favorite vocaloid and I've been legitimately addicted to her voice for like half a year now. Most fans of hers I see pretty much say the same thing too. They hated her, now she's one of their favorites. She's just a diamond in the rough is all :3

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    • What about Mew and Lily ?

      And Tsugai Kogarashi is cool too, right ?

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    • @76; Meiko is most certainly not as unique as people think. At this point several vocaloids cover both her range or tones. Also outside of Vocaloid, Meiko's vocal is fairly common across the world. So this is the difficult position Meiko is in. On the one hand, her voice does everything you want it to do, on the other hand... You can find Meiko-clones very easily at this point.

      I get annoyed whenever someone tries to say Meiko's voice is unique because, its a little ignorant on the person's part to the other vocals and the vocals in the real world. That is not to say no other vocaloid suffer the same problem... I'm afriad with so many female releases we're slowly getting a lot of common traits among the vocaloids that its becoming a matter of "which combination of these traits suits you best".

      There is plenty of opera Singer like Prima, however, not every singer can do opera as it often requires vocal training to achieve the opera style. So you may not get hold a Prima voice without a steeper price, but you can easily get hold of a Meiko voice... Not only that... *sigh*... But to the producers in Japan there are a lot more appealing voices to them, so even though she is a member of theBig 8, don't be shocked to see whythe same few vocals end up much more popular overall. :-/

      In contrast, Kaito her counterpart got a lot of attention for being a much sought after voice for various reasons... Its capablties as a voice let it fill so many vocal roles it has been a lot more unqiue as a vocal for a long time. :-/

      But None of this is a surprise because originally Meiko was Vocaloids "VY1" vocal... A standard vocal of decent-high quality that does want you want and is a professional vocalist. Kaito being the same also. this she is no longer designed to be to the tee, but she is still the only really professional CFM female vocalist, despite them have 4 others. Don't know reliability.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @76; Meiko is most certainly not as unique as people think. At this point several vocaloids cover both her range or tones. Also outside of Vocaloid, Meiko's vocal is fairly common across the world. So this is the difficult position Meiko is in. On the one hand, her voice does everything you want it to do, on the other hand... You can find Meiko-clones very easily at this point.

      This.

      Though she is my favorite female VOCALOID, she is not a unique VOCALOID anymore :/ We have mature female vocals, such as Mew, Lily and Clara. We also have "rock" VOCALOIDs, CUL, Flower, etc.

      Her voice is not even that deep TBH >-< She is a mid-range vocal. Look , even Miku's some voicebanks are deeper than her lowest key xD

      One more thing: I think her songs that featured in Project Diva was fair enough for her V1. Especially Boukyaku Shinjuu. (maybe it's just me, I love the V1 engine D:)

      edit: "She's pretty much the only one you will find with such mature, deep, raspy/nasally vocals." She is not nasally or raspy o.o

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    • VY1 is a more up to date standard, with a younger sounding voice that is more in line with Gumi or Miku. But it is following that same "does what it is meant to do" quota that Meiko was suppose to have.

      Edit: I think the thing that bothers me with Meiko is just that I feel like I'm always left begging for more but Meiko cuts off just before wowing me. A lot of covers of her songs by other vocaloids end up with more "wow" factor because their traits make a part of the song stand out that failed Meiko. And songs that Meiko covers of otehr vocaloids can be the same in reverse.

      Meiko is a good solid vocal... I just rarely get wowed about her. Its not like Kokone where you spend an entire sound waiting for each high pitch to come out or Prima where you're waiting for that long holding aria-esque note that doesn't wane (and most producers annoyingly don't give you that... ¬_¬). These are traits that give those vocals chrisma.

      I've rarely heard a bad Meiko song though, that I admit. It takes a lot to mess up with her it seems and most songs end up at least "decent" at worst. And I've heard some AWFUL Miku songs.

      I don't see the point of knocking Meiko... Common isn't a reason to hate. :-/

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    • Okay this is #76 again just to clear up some of the stuff I said because I may have picked some wrong words to describe her xD 

      Though, I do personally think she is unique sounding. This is just a personal opinion. I've listened to the other mature sounding vocals like Mew and Lily and they're all unique sounding, imo. Especially Lily. She has a very interesting quality to her voice that I wouldn't compare to any others. And by deep, I simply meant mature. I didn't mean she was like a tenor or anything. Though, I do still stand by the fact that she can sound nasally/raspy at times, though this is just my personal opinion. Or maybe I'm just using the wrong word because I don't know how to describe it exactly. My apologies. But to get back on track, I have yet to find a Meiko clone, like is stated above. The closest I've come by (As far as JUST vocaloids go) is Kanon. She does have a very ordinary voice, but as far as vocaloids go, I think she sounds different from a lot of the females, including the mature ones. 

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    • @Anon76 That's your opinion, and all I can do is respect it xD 

      She can sound raspy if you XSY her Dark and Whisper voicebank, but not as raspy as Gumi or YANHE. And her Power vb can sound nasally, but not as nasally as Lily or CUL C:

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    • We're not saying that they sound like her to the sample, just that everything about Meiko is found in their vocals or another, which is why she isn't "unique".

      There are only a few vocaloids who vocals have been classified as pretty unique to that vocal official, with Flower, Yukari and Mayu being a fewof them. Every vocaloid has unqiueness about them and even Chika/Gumi are made of entirely different samples and won't sound identical on every sound combination in their vocals. But there are an awful lot of vocals which have a lot of sounds at least 1 other vocaloid has at this point.

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    • ^ Well yeah, I can agree with every point you made in that. All I was really comparing was the sound of the voices. With so many vocaloids, it's difficult to find vocaloids that sound extremely different from one another. But it seems like Meiko's the only one who gets flak for this, even though at one point she WAS the only one of her kind. 

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    • Aye indeed Meiko was once one of a kind for her voice type. However at that stage she was V1 and was competing with several 2's with both better tech and more appealing voices. Its why Kaito took off and she didn't, Kaito was a voice type that could fill almost any male role and sounded good with the few vocals there were at the time.

      Regardless, I don't think Meiko doesn't get the credit she deserved credit for her survival, as there are 3 other V1's who are lost to progress.

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    • Well Kaito's kind of a different situation because there's so few male vocaloids. I'm not saying Meiko doesn't get credit, I'm just saying that she's not the only one with such ordinary qualities. There's a lot of vocaloids I can't really find much special in. Like Rin, or Luka. I feel like it's just all up to personal taste. I dunno, I just haven't found a vocaloid yet that sounds anything like Meiko. Not saying she can offer anything different from other vocaloids, but her voice itself I find to be unique. Though I'm pretty sure we're kind of off-topic from the subject here xD I just wanted to clear this up because Meiko is legit my favorite (both v1 and v3), I didn't want to sound completely ignorant. Overall, I personally think she's popular enough for a vocaloid. I also think her popularity will rise now that vocaloids are slowly becoming more popular in the west (Especially since she's a crypton vocaloid).

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    • I'd say this is a on-topic subject because in some respects, Meiko does sometimes get problems with the appeal of the other vocaloids.

      But she also has sympathy from those who think Meiko should be more popular and panic whenever she seems down (Luka can get the same reaction).

      So she kinda has this contrasting situation at times... ^_^'

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    • @Angel

      MEIKO's situation reminds me of something I heard once: There's something with a large number of fans, and something with a large number of DEDICATED fans. I feel like MEIKO falls into the second category. There's a couple other vocals that fall under this, too.

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    • Reading this thread as whole made me realize the whole "Drunk MEIKO" thing was actually made by MEIKO haters. (I liked Drunk MEIKO though.)

      MEIKO Hate is the BANE of my presense in the VOCALOID fandom.

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    • HoneyCandiez wrote: @Angel

      MEIKO's situation reminds me of something I heard once: There's something with a large number of fans, and something with a large number of DEDICATED fans. I feel like MEIKO falls into the second category. There's a couple other vocals that fall under this, too.

      Reminds me of the situation with judging how well a vocaloid has sold based souly on the number of D.arts and youtube videos.

      Few of the vocaloids are both popular + have sold well.

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    • probably because they made her look like a whore but i love her voice

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    • 199.21.108.241 wrote:
      probably because they made her look like a whore but i love her voice

      I know I should respond to this but it pisses me off so much when people say that.

      She shows her waist. That's not dressing like a whore...

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    • As I keep pointing out... Miku has a bare strip all the way to her groin in her Append.

      Oh then there is outfits like the Racing Miku swimsuit things... And worst.

      Meiko showing a little skin on her middle, is nothing really.

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    • 71.120.161.77 wrote: I think it's mainly KaiMiku shippers. That's not a good reason to dislike a vocaloid, but people do it.

      Well, here are some reasons why they are wrong... If you stick to the end of this post, then you'll see Im not just an argumentive Kaimei shipper

      1. A color is not a good reason for some one to ship to characaters together. They may both be blue, but miku's blue represents the bright and happy teen while Kaito's blue is very intense. 2.when i ship 2 characters, I think abot how the other would feel. Miku is a 16 year old teenager. Kaito is 20 years old. To ship them would make Kaito feel like a pervert and Miku would feel to awkward. Meiko needs someone to control her drinking and calm her down, while Kaito need s someone who can be mature and happy at the same time. He can control Meiko without becoming overbearing 3. Why are kaimikus so perverted??? Need I say more??

      Now, since I dont want to turn this into a war, just because I dont like the ships, I still really love Miku's songs. They are so filled with life. But if there was a reason I woukd hate her, it would be because of her voice, it is kinda high. If I would Hate Meiko, it would be because of her clothes. Yes, but she shows way too much cleavage in a lot of her clothes. I kinda did have a small problem with that, but im not going to hate her because of it. I dont really care about her waist.

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    • Queen Terra wrote:

      71.120.161.77 wrote: I think it's mainly KaiMiku shippers. That's not a good reason to dislike a vocaloid, but people do it.

      Well, here are some reasons why they are wrong... If you stick to the end of this post, then you'll see Im not just an argumentive Kaimei shipper

      1. A color is not a good reason for some one to ship to characaters together. They may both be blue, but miku's blue represents the bright and happy teen while Kaito's blue is very intense. 2.when i ship 2 characters, I think abot how the other would feel. Miku is a 16 year old teenager. Kaito is 20 years old. To ship them would make Kaito feel like a pervert and Miku would feel to awkward. Meiko needs someone to control her drinking and calm her down, while Kaito need s someone who can be mature and happy at the same time. He can control Meiko without becoming overbearing 3. Why are kaimikus so perverted??? Need I say more??

      Now, since I dont want to turn this into a war, just because I dont like the ships, I still really love Miku's songs. They are so filled with life. But if there was a reason I woukd hate her, it would be because of her voice, it is kinda high. If I would Hate Meiko, it would be because of her clothes. Yes, but she shows way too much cleavage in a lot of her clothes. I kinda did have a small problem with that, but im not going to hate her because of it. I dont really care about her waist.

      the info behind them is discardible so age doesn't matter

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    • Uhh, yeah no. Miku is specifically stated to be a teenager and is designed to look like one, and while Kaito doesn't have a canon age, it's pretty clear by his voice and design that he's meant to be read as an adult. Sure, there's no real canon in Vocaloid and you can change their ages so they're both the same, but it's still pretty skeevy that someone would even think to pair a teen with an adult in the first place.

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    • 174.134.136.202 wrote:
      Uhh, yeah no. Miku is specifically stated to be a teenager and is designed to look like one, and while Kaito doesn't have a canon age, it's pretty clear by his voice and design that he's meant to be read as an adult. Sure, there's no real canon in Vocaloid and you can change their ages so they're both the same, but it's still pretty skeevy that someone would even think to pair a teen with an adult in the first place.

      ?

      i'm saying ALL vocaloids have discardable info. In other words, regardless of how miku or kaito sound/look/ so on all that info is discardable, so they could age them up and down as they wish. that's how its always been

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    • I still find it really gross. Same reason I find RinxLen gross. No, they're not officially twins, but they're so obviously designed to look as such that I can't see it as anything but an incest fantasy.

      And honestly, in terms of stuff like age and appearance, how often is that stuff actually discarded in the fandom? Backstories and personalities, yes, but I bet that the vast majority of fan works keep official ages, if they have any.

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    • Please keep to the topic and stop derailing this thread into a different conversation and issue.

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    • Erm... Anon, point #2 is all head canon.

      Sum it up;

      1. Kaito has no official age, Miku has, So Kito could be the same age, young adult or middle age... I've met teenagers with deep voices that you expet a 40 year old guy to have (its weird even still because this guy had the squeakiest high pitched voice you'd met before his voice broke).
      2. Kaito is Meiko's counterpart Miku is from the CV series..
      3. Kito and Miku have no personnelities, none of the CV vocaloids do.

      Your logics are all based on head canon and stereotyping... Which to keep this post on topic, is kinda the whole problem with the subject of Meiko hate. In fact... This happens a lot in Vocaloid.

      While Kaito and Meiko have 0 background, Miku, the Kagamines and Luka were conceptualized as androids with ages, height and weight. Thats it though. The rest is moot.

      To quote something that was said with the Legion of Super Heroes cartoon in regards to Brainiac 5 from said cartoon... As said by a reviewer... "How does a robot and a level 12 intelligent being, define 'love'?". We, as humans put our own version of emotions onto things and this isn't always so true. In their purest forms, every Vocaloid is a clean slate. Example in point... So even though the Kagamines are twins, if they were real they aren't flesh and blood by their conception and would not even understand "incest", and nor would it really be "incest" as they are machines. You can have a "twin" matching salt and pepper pot, all it means is they are made to look like they belong together, aka a set. As for Kaito and Meiko, their... Kinda whatever you want them to be. They weren't made by CFM so aren't abode to obey any of their concepts, they were just a voice with a drawing on the box.

      Either way, the whole thing is crazy because the fandom is obessed with all this to the point of hating a character based on something that is only 1 persons interpretation of that character. I find this a crazy excuse to hate a character, just as I find the absurdity of those who want "shion" to be canon for Kaito and will even try to make up where they heard Wat say they wanted to give it that.

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    • Her voice isn't all that special and kinda nasal to most people. She doesn't sound that well in most of her songs. Her cover of unravel, is the best song/cover of her that I found so far. 

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    • SapphireCosmos wrote:
      Her voice isn't all that special and kinda nasal to most people. She doesn't sound that well in most of her songs. Her cover of unravel, is the best song/cover of her that I found so far. 

      Go watch Kyaami's cover of The Snow White Princess Is, like I still can't get over that. Link | The 1m+ viewed ProjectDIVA PV (And I will go to my wits end to promote it XD)


      Ahh anyway this thread at this point is outdated, and I don't see why it's still active. People hated MEIKO because of the Miku x KAITO shippers and saw her as "competition" or something like that, then they developed all these stereotypes for her that weren't as bad in the Japanese fandom but were treated worse over here in the US (like her love for alcohol) which resulted in her being a fun character to pick on, I guess. It didn't help that people decieded to call her a slut cause of her boxart, either. People started her a "drunk slut who couldn't sing" because of low quality of her V1 voicebank.

      But at this point, and I will repeat, the extreme hate directed to her is outdated -- and therefore the thread is. If you look at the topics of this thread it says "MEIKO (VOCALOID 1)" because I'd say after her V3 release a lot of the hate for her ended. I haven't seen any more hate for her then the other most popular vocals, actually less the Miku/the Kagamines. In fact, if you read the comments of the ProjectDIVA PV, the response to her is overwhelmingly positive. Her upcoming figma and she's been doing pretty well in the last month or so also suggest some kind of fanbase. (I was hoping for it to go back ~6 months because of all the calm from GUMI and the Kagamine releases upcoming skewing results, but this is good enough.

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    • I don't think her V3 is all that to do with the end of it. Its likely over time everyone has slowly grown out of this or moved on. With the exceptions of the Kagamine relationship issues, this is the same for a lot of the aging problems within the fandom.

      I wouldn't called Meiko's voice bad, its just boring. The problem is within the fault of her own vocal. Its a "any girl" voice. At this point we have a number of vocals that are on her tone/vocal range and several that can do Rock, one of her classic forte genres, better. Meiko isn't suppose to be a ultra special voice, neither is Kaito, they were standard VY-esque vocals for the software.

      With so many female vocalists giving their voice to the software, Meiko was basically going to be quickly have competition because the gaps are fluffed out. And being that the music industry has a set amount of things it likes, most singers will have been ironed out to sing a particular method. So, Meiko also has that to bare in mind. Its the same problem Prima would have if another English operoid came out, that Prima and that vocaloid would have trouble separating things special from each other due to the similar style, especially if it wa another soprano. :-/

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    • Didn't she win third best feminine voice on the wiki or something?

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    • EmbraceEvil wrote:

      Queen Terra wrote:

      71.120.161.77 wrote: I think it's mainly KaiMiku shippers. That's not a good reason to dislike a vocaloid, but people do it.

      Well, here are some reasons why they are wrong... If you stick to the end of this post, then you'll see Im not just an argumentive Kaimei shipper

      1. A color is not a good reason for some one to ship to characaters together. They may both be blue, but miku's blue represents the bright and happy teen while Kaito's blue is very intense. 2.when i ship 2 characters, I think abot how the other would feel. Miku is a 16 year old teenager. Kaito is 20 years old. To ship them would make Kaito feel like a pervert and Miku would feel to awkward. Meiko needs someone to control her drinking and calm her down, while Kaito need s someone who can be mature and happy at the same time. He can control Meiko without becoming overbearing 3. Why are kaimikus so perverted??? Need I say more??

      Now, since I dont want to turn this into a war, just because I dont like the ships, I still really love Miku's songs. They are so filled with life. But if there was a reason I woukd hate her, it would be because of her voice, it is kinda high. If I would Hate Meiko, it would be because of her clothes. Yes, but she shows way too much cleavage in a lot of her clothes. I kinda did have a small problem with that, but im not going to hate her because of it. I dont really care about her waist.

      the info behind them is discardible so age doesn't matter

      My friend actually typed that... She's more obsessed with Vocaloids then me.

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    • Probably mostly KaiMi shippers and newbies who are Miku obsessed

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    • As a former administrator in a Vocaloid community, I can tell that most of the complaints come from people who only know about Cryptonloids and are new to the fandom (And I read quite a lot of silly complaints). I wouldn't take them to seriously. Oh, and don't forget about the shippers and the people who actually believe that Vocaloid mascots have a personality:

      - Shippers just hate her because of KaiMei, nothing new there. That's what most shippers do.

      - Back in 2009/10, the first introduction to the Vocaloid fandom was some of the most popular songs. If a Vocaloid character was badly protrayed, then people thought that that was their personality. 

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    • I dislike her because I am KaitoxMiku all the way until I die.

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    • 71.173.216.35 wrote:
      I dislike her because I am KaitoxMiku all the way until I die.

      Disliking a Vocaloid (or any character from any fandom for that matter) because of a ship (especially a non-canon ship) is really invalid to be honest...

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    • Especially when there is no official ship to begin with.

      Also while it not ab relationship, Kaito is Meiko's counterpart

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    • Misteryeevee wrote:
      71.173.216.35 wrote:
      I dislike her because I am KaitoxMiku all the way until I die.
      Disliking a Vocaloid (or any character from any fandom for that matter) because of a ship (especially a non-canon ship) is really invalid to be honest...

      Agreed!

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    • Ummm... don't you think it's a little stereotypical to say ALL KaitoxMiku shippers hate Meiko? Because I ship KaitoxMiku (that's actually the only Vocaloid couple I ship to be honest) and Meiko is my second favorite Vocaloid. 

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    • 173.81.58.58 wrote:
      Ummm... don't you think it's a little stereotypical to say ALL KaitoxMiku shippers hate Meiko? Because I ship KaitoxMiku (that's actually the only Vocaloid couple I ship to be honest) and Meiko is my second favorite Vocaloid. 

      I don't think anyone said that lol. But a lot of people dislike meiko mainly because of KaiMiku

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    • The alternative to hate a character because of a single songs portrayal.

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    • 173.81.58.58 wrote:
      Ummm... don't you think it's a little stereotypical to say ALL KaitoxMiku shippers hate Meiko? Because I ship KaitoxMiku (that's actually the only Vocaloid couple I ship to be honest) and Meiko is my second favorite Vocaloid. 

      Unsure if this was targeted at me, but replying to anyways.

      I'm a KaiMei fan and I personally dislike KaiMiku a lot.  But that doesn't mean I hate Miku because she's paired with Kaito... it's actually really, for lack of better words, stupid to do that.  VOCALOID is NOT about shipping.  It is about music and creativity.  And I am personally neutral with Miku: I don't hate her but I don't love her, she is in the in between.  There are very few VOCALOIDs I dislike and they're never disliked for "pairing" reasons.  I don't dislike Ruby because I hate Dex x Ruby and I solely think Dex should be with Daina or something.  I dislike her for her voice and at times, I don't like her design.  On the subject of KaiMiku, I don't like the visual of the pairing, but that doesn't mean I can't like their duets either because some of them sound really good.  And the reason why I mention this is because people really do hate the pairing so much that they blatantly ignore every song featuring said pairing and not giving any of them a chance. :/

      I always have this issue with people disliking characters solely because of a pairing, especially if said pairing was not canon in the first place. It bothers me even more when people dislike the character if they're female in a series where most characters are male (like Hetalia for instance) and then they throw "cockblock" reasons everywhere (And vice versa if there's few males in a mostly female series). It's kind of just unfair to do that when there are other more legitimate reasons to dislike a character...

      I also wasn't generalizing all KaiMiku fans to be hateful towards Meiko, but there is a very loud crowd that do give bad impressions to the fans of the pair. :/

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      The alternative to hate a character because of a single songs portrayal.

      In this case, it's mostly geared towards the fact that her outfit is more revealing and her clevage is visible or something. So ofcs she's a slut or something. (And Japan, your jiggle physics doesn't help)

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    • Misteryeevee wrote:
      173.81.58.58 wrote:
      Ummm... don't you think it's a little stereotypical to say ALL KaitoxMiku shippers hate Meiko? Because I ship KaitoxMiku (that's actually the only Vocaloid couple I ship to be honest) and Meiko is my second favorite Vocaloid. 
      Unsure if this was targeted at me, but replying to anyways.

      I'm a KaiMei fan and I personally dislike KaiMiku a lot.  But that doesn't mean I hate Miku because she's paired with Kaito... it's actually really, for lack of better words, stupid to do that.  VOCALOID is NOT about shipping.  It is about music and creativity.  And I am personally neutral with Miku: I don't hate her but I don't love her, she is in the in between.  There are very few VOCALOIDs I dislike and they're never disliked for "pairing" reasons.  I don't dislike Ruby because I hate Dex x Ruby and I solely think Dex should be with Daina or something.  I dislike her for her voice and at times, I don't like her design.  On the subject of KaiMiku, I don't like the visual of the pairing, but that doesn't mean I can't like their duets either because some of them sound really good.  And the reason why I mention this is because people really do hate the pairing so much that they blatantly ignore every song featuring said pairing and not giving any of them a chance. :/

      I always have this issue with people disliking characters solely because of a pairing, especially if said pairing was not canon in the first place. It bothers me even more when people dislike the character if they're female in a series where most characters are male (like Hetalia for instance) and then they throw "cockblock" reasons everywhere (And vice versa if there's few males in a mostly female series). It's kind of just unfair to do that when there are other more legitimate reasons to dislike a character...

      I also wasn't generalizing all KaiMiku fans to be hateful towards Meiko, but there is a very loud crowd that do give bad impressions to the fans of the pair. :/

      While I don't ship Kaito and Meiko together (I see them as best friends rather than a couple), I don't really hate that pairing at all. And I definitely agree that Vocaloid isn't all about shipping, it's about music. I've never been big on the whole shipping thing anyway, which is probably the main reason I only ship ONE vocaloid couple together. And yeah, I agree, two Vocaloids being paired together is a very dumb reason to hate another Vocaloid.

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    • Wait... PEOPLE HATE MEIKO?


      THAT IS SO STUPID!

      MEIKO IS GREAT! THE ONLY REASON THAT ANY IDIOT IN THE VOCALOID FANDOM IS BECAUSE SHE ISNT AS HIGH PITCHED AND "CUTE ENOUGH" TO BE CONSIDERED A MIKU CLONE! BECAUSE THATS WHAT EVERYONE IN THE YOUTUBE COMMENT FANDOM (as i like to call the idiots who think that Teto/Neru/Haku/Ritsu should be/is a vocaloid, think that Miku is the only vocaloid, have no idea what utau is, etc,etc) THINKS THAT KAITO X MIKU IS THE ONLY GOOD SHIP AND EVERYONE WHO THINKS DIFERENTLY IS A IDIOT AND SHOULD DIE A LONELY, LONG, AND PAINFUL DEATH!


      • takes a deep breath

      Alright, my rant is over

      • proceeds to go hang myself
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    • You really shouldn't call people "idiots", plus the world would be boring if we all liked the same things.

      Edit:

      Also "lonely long and painful death?" I hope that is a joke.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      You really shouldn't call people "idiots", plus the world would be boring if we all liked the same things.

      Edit:

      Also "lonely long and painful death?" I hope that is a joke.

      Sorry, I got a little angry because MEIKO is my baby and seeing her get treated this way just because her design shows off a little skin and her voice isn't like Miku's is a little aggravating. I can go ahead and delete that comment if you want...

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    • Mabye it's because her hair is not long and wavy like the other female vocaloids

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    • @Anon, that would not explain certain Vocaloids with short hair getting popularity.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @Anon, that would not explain certain Vocaloids with short hair getting popularity.

      Agreed.

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    • Meiko's not one of my favorite vocaloids, but I don't hate her by any means. I haven't been impressed with her voice that many times, but that's probably because I don't want to put in the time & effort to search for Meiko songs. If there was anything I hated about Meiko, it's how Shu-T tunes her V1 voicebank. He makes her high notes almost unbearable for me. I was quite impressed with Nanameue-P's Meiko rendition of Amazing Grace, though. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KVU5EKJ8Oxk

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    • Sounds like a friggin trumpet, that's why

      I listen to vocaloid for music; not for someone who sounds like a trumpet. (lenTyrant, Senbonzakura, Meiko), couldn't even finish 1/3rd of the song before I muted the volume, exited, emptied my entire search history, blocked the keyword and shut off my computer to purify myself.

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    • Oicraftian wrote:
      Sounds like a friggin trumpet, that's why

      I listen to vocaloid for music; not for someone who sounds like a trumpet. (lenTyrant, Senbonzakura, Meiko), couldn't even finish 1/3rd of the song before I muted the volume, exited, emptied my entire search history, blocked the keyword and shut off my computer to purify myself.

      that looks like a copypasta

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    • I can assure you it is not. I just hate on Meiko.

      • brings out torches*

      Come on everybody!

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    • that's okay buddy, we accept you

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    • Never heard Meiko sound like trumpet... The Kagamine Act1 pack, with sound around the "i" vowel, when too short... Now you want a trumpet, you've got one in that version of Len and Rin.

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    • Meiko's cover of senbonzakura. I won't listen to it EVER again.

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    • If that's the only song you've heard Meiko sing in, then idk what to say... Only listening to one example isn't helpful to anyone.  

      Might not even be helpful if the original or cover wasn't good/user is inexperienced.

      Not to mention that Meiko has 5 different voicebanks in her V3 version.  I can see how Power or Straight might sound like a "trumpet", but not Dark, Whisper, or even English. :/

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    • @Oicraftian You should check out cillia's Meiko cover of The Snow White Princess is, it's fantastic > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuCqvPZJp-o

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    • It was from "LenTyrant"... It gets really bad every single time the pitch goes up...

      --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvUJ6lDw_gM


      After taking a shower and bringing protection from evil, I broke my word and watched about 50 seconds of it again. You're right, it doesn't sound like a trumpet, it's even worse. But maybe... Just maybe it's only the opening piece? I mean, because maybe Miku graced the rest of the song with her cover of it


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omy79Ol74tA

      You mean this? I can't really tell much of a sound difference inbetween yours and this, but it's definitely better than listening to well... *looks at first link*


      Here is some "good" stuff

      --> (LenTyrant) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BWHmYqNXo0

      --> (googoo888) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqps4anhz0Q


      EDIT 1: Fixed weird typo that somehow gave me 20 seconds instead of 50. Maybe I just wasn't thinking, probably was actually.

      EDIT 2: Added in edit details

      EDIT 3: Added in new links of what I define as good

      EDIT 4: Because I'm unable to read today I somehow mistook 60 for 50 >.> good god.

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    • @Oicraftian - googoo888's video is just Project Diva PV + Cillia's cover.

      That Senbonzakura cover was made with MEIKO V1. V1's engine noise is different than the later engines. I'm used to it, but I can understand why other people would think it's weird. ^^; Plus that cover isn't well made. (MEIKO V1 can sound very good if tuned well, just like any other Vocaloid. [1])

      I recommend these covers: [2], [3]

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    • "After taking a shower and bringing protection from evil, I broke my word and watched about 60 seconds of it again."
      I'm sorry but WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN??!

      Either way, it's fine if you don't like MEIKO. We all have our vocal preferences. Though I find that many of the CRYPTON vocals tend to grow on me. I'm not really big on Len. There have only been a few instances where I like him. Most of the time, it turns out to be his ACT1. (I tend to find his ACT2 to sound like muffled death.)
      Not really big on ARSLOID either but I'm not gonna "bring torches" to one of his videos.

      Also, LenTyrant and googoo888 don't upload their own content. They seem to just repost Project DIVA PVs and occasionally slap other peoples covers on them. The MEIKO cover of Senbonzakura is actually by Ryousuke-P. LenTyrant basically just exchanged the audio without giving credit.

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    • Stuff like, I don't know, religious symbols, pure water, etc? Made a small collection and arrayed it around my laptop, then hit play for the song. The trumpet voice easily overcame my protective measures, including volume setting of 5.

      Really? I wasn't aware... Would you kindly link me to the original?

      I noticed. It doesn't sound as trumpet-like at high pitch >.>

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    • @Oicraftian If you consider those two Miku songs to be the standard of "good" then I don't think you've heard too much songs. ryo and Whiteflame/KurousaP's tuning styles aren't really anything special imo. Also the people who upload the Project Diva PVs aren't the producers of the songs, just so you know.

      Edit: never mind MeerkatQueen already said what the last part of my comment says but I didn't see their post

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    • @Oicraftian: Sure thing!
      This is the original version of Senbonzakura featuring Miku YouTube
      And this is Ryousuke's cover. YouTube reprint Original niconico upload

      The original version of "Shiroi Yuki no Princess wa..." was also originally sung by Miku. Original niconico upload
      To be honest, I feel that cillia's MEIKO cover has more emotion and that the original is rather bland.

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    • I didn't know T_T

      So sorry

      I really don't know much... Link me to the good stu- wait, that sounds like drugs, whoops. Link me to the well done works please! I really don't know :P


      I see

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    • @Oicraftian Are you looking for good usages of Meiko V1 or V3?

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    • Anything.

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    • I have another problem with the statement "sounds like a trumpet"....So... You don't like trumpets then I take it? Why? Because I think their so fun, like the tuba! They have a light bit of comedy to them. :-D

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    • I personally love her. 

      People may hate her because her design shows off skin.

      People have to learn that design isn't all there is to Vocaloid.

      Voice matters as well.

      Meiko's voice is amazing in my opinion.

      Vocaloid is what you make of it and that can be whatever you want.

      From memes to amazing covers.

      People need legitimate reason before they say:

      "I hate that Vocaloid!"

      As long as you believe in that reason and you feel like it expresses your opinion well then I don't see why not say it.

      But if people are hating Meiko just because of her design or because of a ship like KaiMiku and they want Kaito to be with Miku more than with Meiko...

      ...IT'S VOCALOID BRO! IT ISN'T CANON! THERE IS MORE TO VOCALOID THAN JUST DESIGNS.

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    • People hate meiko because they hate her Simple She shows waist So? Mikus various desings of racing miku are SLUTTIER And luka her huge strip that could blow up and show things we definetly dont wanna see And rin Those shorts... So yeah You cant call her a slut unless youve seen her officialy acting línea slut Meikos wonderful Just because her voice isnt so unnaturaly pitched doest make her less or more Yeah people hate her because she "stole kaito away from miku" I dont understand their prespectives Meiko came way after miku was made And because her hair is short and brown Clon people Long ass hairs like mikus or lukas dont exist Please Stop acting so immature over this Meiko has a wonderful voice Only pros can use her Not like miku Pitch her up to something and OOH MASTERPIECE

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    • hnn... i think it's because they prefer the higher, cuter anime girl voices over the more realistic voices. 

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    • I don't like her because she just gives me chills down my spine >.<

      I don't know why, but she just makes me feel weird, and not the good kind!

      I get that burn in my throat when I feel nervous or scared whenever I see her... 

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    • 172.58.109.132 wrote: People hate meiko because they hate her Simple She shows waist So? Mikus various desings of racing miku are SLUTTIER And luka her huge strip that could blow up and show things we definetly dont wanna see And rin Those shorts... So yeah You cant call her a slut unless youve seen her officialy acting línea slut Meikos wonderful Just because her voice isnt so unnaturaly pitched doest make her less or more Yeah people hate her because she "stole kaito away from miku" I dont understand their prespectives Meiko came way after miku was made And because her hair is short and brown Clon people Long ass hairs like mikus or lukas dont exist Please Stop acting so immature over this Meiko has a wonderful voice Only pros can use her Not like miku Pitch her up to something and OOH MASTERPIECE

      It makes me wonder when they complain on design when their a guy. I've known cases of guys complaining how slutty a girl is, yet admit to have hentai on their computers elsewhere. Pornographic images, last time I checked are a lot worst then a bit of skin...

      Don't ask... It was my anime fan days from 1998-2006.

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    • It's so upsetting, I know, but I say it's because of her deep voice and non-dyed hair. Maybe because her design isn't as complex as Miku's or GUMI's. I love how she shows skin, making her look more independent, yet some people think that makes her look bratty. Without MEIKO, we would have no Miku. I could go on and on about this topic, yet my iPad is running out of battery.

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    • Whaa... I love Meiko, for her voice. Design-wise, eh, I could care less about it. Meiko has really started to grow on me the past few months, especially after listening to her cover of "The Snow White Princess Is." Comparing her cover to Miku's, I preferred Meiko's cover so much more. Imao, I think Miku's voice just sounded too flat and had no emotion in that song.


      The whole idea for the Vocaloid program was to be able to generate realistic singing voices, right? Meiko is one of THE most realistic voices I've heard, then.

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    • Well I don't hate her vocals or really ship anything too strongly but I have noticed that there seems to be a...buzz similar to if you listen to Kaito or Gakupo sing. Now that might be the quality of the recording equipment or something but I figured it would be something to point out. Also, I think she has an accent pronouncing certain letters or sounds that some people like or don't like. It all really boils down to preference really, hope that helps!

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    • This might be a bit out of topic, but i always thought MEIKO was best at singing Jazz not Rock and it seems producers perfer to write other genres, like Rock, as for why people hate her it's probably because of Nostalogic, her voice is really high pichted, she has a lot of.... belts on places where she shouldn't and the camera loves her..... "assets", and that song is like what Rimokon (or remote control) is for Rin and Len.

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