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  • Ok, let's say it's (probs) 2020 (gets slapped--), after the success of V4, they decide to do V5.

    What do want in V5?

    What new features would you like to have?

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    • You're looking really far into the future... lol

      If YAMAHA does do a V5 (I call it VV), I want OLIVER V5 and Whistling( ̄▽ ̄)ノ

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    • NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
      You're looking really far into the future... lol

      If YAMAHA does do a V5 (I call it VV), I want OLIVER V5 and Whistling( ̄▽ ̄)ノ

      VOCALOID5 is too futuristic for the present.....

      Hmm, VOCALOIDs whistling would be cool. ^^

      OLIVER V5 (or OLIVER VV) sounds too magnificient to be real. (Unless they found someone then eh.)

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    • Something for languages, wherein you can switch from Japanese and English seamlessly without tone differences.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      Something for languages, wherein you can switch from Japanese and English seamlessly without tone differences.

      That'd be the day....

      That'd be the day...

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    • I'd like the ability to XSY between 3 vocals at once. (Like XSY Yukari Onn→Jun→Lin)Or maybe V2 XSY?

      I'd also like it if we could control the stereo output in the parameters. So like one note could be in the L speaker and the the next in the R and it's all controlled in one part.

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    • Expansion for more languages, vocal fry parameter or phonemes, automation curve tool for pitch editing (as opposed to the false sense of hope pitch rendering gave folks... (ಠ_ಠ) ), the ability to play any wav file regardless of what the bit rate is set to in the editor, and more VST slots.

      And if they plan on keeping growl as a permanent parameter, it needs an overhaul in how its implemented. Currently, it only seems useful as an accent to the beginning of certain notes, and if used in too high of an amount anywhere else... well... you've heard the official VOCALOID demos of recent history. Sometimes, even a small amout turns out grating... they might want to look into that concept just a little more, at least to make it more appealing for producers to use.

      (Honestly, the only notably good growl usage I can come up with at the moment is cillia's usage of VY1v4 in her Fairytale cover, and to some extent Luka V4x English RIP=RELEASE demo... other than that, people either don't use it well or at all... sad, because it could have so much more potential.)  v(・‸・)v

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    • I've seen the gwl comments all around, its not that its not useful, its just they made it the wrong type of growling... Still, I'd like a expansion on these sounds. :-/

      I think it was said by the guy who has taken over they wannt to add more languages and overall content to the next version. I'm just wondering when "Vx" will end nd they'll d something besides add numbers.

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    • -Momoiro-Saru- wrote:
      Expansion for more languages, vocal fry parameter or phonemes, automation curve tool for pitch editing (as opposed to the false sense of hope pitch rendering gave folks... (ಠ_ಠ) ), the ability to play any wav file regardless of what the bit rate is set to in the editor, and more VST slots.

      And if they plan on keeping growl as a permanent parameter, it needs an overhaul in how its implemented. Currently, it only seems useful as an accent to the beginning of certain notes, and if used in too high of an amount anywhere else... well... you've heard the official VOCALOID demos of recent history. Sometimes, even a small amout turns out grating... they might want to look into that concept just a little more, at least to make it more appealing for producers to use.

      (Honestly, the only notably good growl usage I can come up with at the moment is cillia's usage of VY1v4 in her Fairytale cover, and to some extent Luka V4x English RIP=RELEASE demo... other than that, people either don't use it well or at all... sad, because it could have so much more potential.)  v(・‸・)v

      pretty sure Last of Me is using luka's growl

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    • Maybe we can have a SeeU V5 because at that point Kim Dahee would definately be out of prison...her criminal record might make the update of SeeU impossible anyway but I can dream! D:

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    • Honestly,I'd just like to see new languages introduced with new mascots at the start and a better interface(some have said it can be complicated?).

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    • More languages would be nice. Or at least one new vocaloid that's for a language we don't have yet. Maybe French, alys was pretty close, maybe by the time v5 comes out, voxwave will be a big/successful enough company for yamaha to consider giving them a license/dealing with them

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    • 96.226.19.218 wrote:
      More languages would be nice. Or at least one new vocaloid that's for a language we don't have yet. Maybe French, alys was pretty close, maybe by the time v5 comes out, voxwave will be a big/successful enough company for yamaha to consider giving them a license/dealing with them

      at  this point Voxwave is set on Cevio. ALYS as a vocaloid ain't happening. 

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    • 216.186.132.194 wrote:
      Maybe we can have a SeeU V5 because at that point Kim Dahee would definately be out of prison...her criminal record might make the update of SeeU impossible anyway but I can dream! D:

      maybe they can use a differet voice provider for her since there's thousands of Kpop stars out there that probably have voices similar to hers and most ppl see the mascots more than talk about the voice provider anyways (or just improvements on uni and more korean vocaloids to stand by uni if they don't wanna deal with any seeu stuff anymore. seeu's still been in some concerts and stuff so her crime hasn't really affected the company from using seeu for profits and concert apperances)

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    • EmbraceEvil wrote:
      96.226.19.218 wrote:
      More languages would be nice. Or at least one new vocaloid that's for a language we don't have yet. Maybe French, alys was pretty close, maybe by the time v5 comes out, voxwave will be a big/successful enough company for yamaha to consider giving them a license/dealing with them
      at  this point Voxwave is set on Cevio. ALYS as a vocaloid ain't happening. 

      that's fine too as long as she sounds good in the end

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    • 96.226.19.218 wrote:
      216.186.132.194 wrote:
      Maybe we can have a SeeU V5 because at that point Kim Dahee would definately be out of prison...her criminal record might make the update of SeeU impossible anyway but I can dream! D:
      maybe they can use a differet voice provider for her since there's thousands of Kpop stars out there that probably have voices similar to hers and most ppl see the mascots more than talk about the voice provider anyways (or just improvements on uni and more korean vocaloids to stand by uni if they don't wanna deal with any seeu stuff anymore. seeu's still been in some concerts and stuff so her crime hasn't really affected the company from using seeu for profits and concert apperances)

      i don't think you can do that without huge backlash considering her celebrity status. plus it would be cheaper to use that new voice provider to make an entirely new vocaloid, since reusing a vocaloid a vocaloid's license is more expensive than making an entirely new one

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    • Evil hit that note on the head. Plus we currently have only 1 Korean vocal and 1 upcoming one... Even the Spanish Vocaloids outnumber the Korean ones. We really need this to change, heck, we don't even have a male yet for them. SeeU can't do everything just as neither an Miku, Gumi, Avanna, Clara, etc, etc. I'd like the chapter on SeeU closed because of the mess made and for them just to press on with more Korean Vocaloids.

      But this isn't so much talk about V5 itself, more like talk about a specific version.

      I'd also like better support for non-Japanese versions. Whenever the Yamaha vocaloid facebook page update with tutorials, their always in Japanese. Whenever they talk about vocaloids, their only ever Japanese or Yamaha vocals. We've never heard them mention some of the rest. I don't know, at least acknowledgement would be nice.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:.

      I'd also like better support for non-Japanese versions. Whenever the Yamaha vocaloid facebook page update with tutorials, their always in Japanese. Whenever they talk about vocaloids, their only ever Japanese or Yamaha vocals. We've never heard them mention some of the rest. I don't know, at least acknowledgement would be nice.

      this 100%

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    • Maybe other companies should invest in talk/speech? AHS seems to be getting some of their funds from it, and GachaTalk and Megpoid Talk seem to be doing fine as small projects. (Megpoid Talk being more recent.) I am baffled at how Crypton hasn't done anything to kinda join the trend.

      And in a more or less in-the-future/not really VV/V5 talk, but find a cheaper way to update vocals. IDK, there are so many unique voices that would really benefit from updating to this or the next engine, but just don't have enough funds. It sucks major balls.

      Also, for the sake of engine numbers, and the amount of money it takes to update vocals and to buy engine, after engine, PLEASE MAKE VV/V5 THE FINAL ENGINE. Let V4 take a really long course and give each company time to update to that glorious GWL. Then research and test different features. Like everyone's said, fix Growl, or add some type of sub-category for it. Add some new features, and pick up where other synths have left off.

      IDK if this sounds racist or not, but quit focusing on mainly Japanese (and English sorta kinda) voicebank development. Spanish and Chinese needs work, and it looks (and sounds) like nobody in those regions of the community is taking the time to tune and fiddle with those voicebanks. Gosh Golly gee

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    • Many Voicetypes that you can activate, on lower, high and mid-range notes, in one VB

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    • IMO; I expect after V5/VV they may or may not continue with engine updates.

      Mainly due to the point that YAMAHA keep continuing to dish-out the engines like nobody has internet (the main point of why they upgrade the editor every 4-5 years with minor tweaks); although the majority of producers who use Vocaloid DO have internet because its not really something you'd notice when you're not online.

      If V4 ends up being the final engine (most likely wont) - it'd be great to see them altering the way GWL works and hopefully allow online-updates to existing vocaloids; which could come in handy for developers to update the librarys (eg Syo wanted to add more place names to Ruby's dictionary, etc) or just performance in general (cough Cyber Diva cough).

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    • Another thing I wanted in V3 and said to Anders is the ability to have a drop down menu or something with saved extracts of notes for faster repetition of lyrics. You can grab and drop things into a song or into the menu and save them for future songs. This would be good for producers who have configured a particular set of notes and pulled off something they want to either share with others or reuse.

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    • *slams fists on table* PIKOV5! 

      Well... Probably not gonna happen, but a Piko fan can dream, right? |D

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    • More language if possible! And more male voicebank voicetype like Leon. I love his voice.

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    • the issue is that have soft banks and power banks. if can make soft band sound powerful that be nice.

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    • I would also like SONiKA V5, CUL V5, YOHIOloid V5, and Prima & Tonio V5... (If they don't get V4 updates( ̄▽ ̄)ノ) all I want is updates ~w~

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    • NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
      I would also like SONiKA V5, CUL V5, YOHIOloid V5, and Prima & Tonio V5... (If they don't get V4 updates( ̄▽ ̄)ノ) all I want is updates ~w~

      unfortunently Yohioloid is confirmed not to have sold well, which sucks cuz i'd love for him to get a power append considering his voice provider does rock

      edit: i'd like it if there was something like voice colors from EVEC inside the vocaloid program, or if sachiko's plugin worked with more vocaloids

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    • I know that, after I made that post I checked all of their sales.

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    • NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
      I know that, after I made that post I checked all of their sales.

      you checked their sales? you mean on their wiki pages, or is their a site that actually lists how well they sold?

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    • I checked their pages. 

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    • NickTheWoodenToaster wrote:
      I checked their pages. 

      k

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    • I wish Yamaha extend support to Mac Osx.... it's very sada that the best system for making music must run vocaloid in emulation mode or via virtual machine....

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    • I don't know much about Macs, but most vocaloid being thrown into sale in Japan have Mac versions now.

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    • And the VOCALOID4 Editor for CUBASE is around the same price as regular V4, supports Mac, and comes with free CUBASE.
      If you have a Mac, or in general are serious about VOCALOID, I recommend that you get it.

      v4 flower has a Vocalo-Cubase starter pack.

      Also I think that Piapro Studio works with Mac and if you want that then I'd recommend Luka's V4x package. Especially if you want English.

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    • maybe an Indonesian Vocaloid, since there are people who have made good Indonesian songs w/ miku and gumi already lol (maybe rachie could be the voice provider for one :3) 

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    • 96.226.19.218 wrote:
      maybe an Indonesian Vocaloid, since there are people who have made good Indonesian songs w/ miku and gumi already lol (maybe rachie could be the voice provider for one :3) 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juN7uzl8EI

      she'd also make a good english vocaloid too

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    • Vocaloid has done the major 3 asian markets that Japan deals with, one being its own, and has expanded into the next big market America. It already covered English but never really tackled America specifically. If it wants to continue it would have to look at other markets to enter into.

      Other then English, German and French would be the next one to expand into. The next issue spoken in V2 during the V3 pre-announcement days was the reluctance of Europe and how they/d like to turn this around. So I would see Vocaloid next expanding into other major European languages before most of the others.

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    • MeerkatQueen wrote:
      And the VOCALOID4 Editor for CUBASE is around the same price as regular V4, supports Mac, and comes with free CUBASE.
      If you have a Mac, or in general are serious about VOCALOID, I recommend that you get it.

      v4 flower has a Vocalo-Cubase starter pack.

      Also I think that Piapro Studio works with Mac and if you want that then I'd recommend Luka's V4x package. Especially if you want English.

      piapro studio works only with crypton vb... so it's imnpossible to use Yoholoid or Avanna that didn't have mac version....

      I don't wanna use cubase.... if i would like to use Cubase I will not switch to the mac platform....

      Will be fantastic to have an ua plugin like piapro that support every voicebank....so I' ll be able to work directly in logic pro, with apple effect... a very different thing than run the editor in crossover.... 

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    • @Fulv: Piapro Studio supports all VOCALOIDs starting with the V2 era. Not just the CRYPTON ones.

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    • Last I heard, they updated Piapro studio so it works with any vocaloid now... Is the Mac version different?

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    • MeerkatQueen wrote:
      @Fulv: Piapro Studio supports all VOCALOIDs starting with the V2 era. Not just the CRYPTON ones.

      Yes, but that's only on Windows. The Mac version of Piapro Studio only supports Vocaloids who are compatible with Mac, which are only certain Japanese V3s and V4s. I don't think any of the Engloids are Mac-compatible. The same goes for Cubase. Only the Mac-compatible Vocaloids will work on the Mac version.

      If you want to use any V1s or V2s, Engloids, Chinese Vocaloids, SeeU, Bruno, or Clara, Windows (or a Windows simulator like Wineskin, which is what I use to run the VOCALOID4 editor) is currently the only option. I'm pretty sure some Japanese V3s don't work on Mac either, like Mayu and Tone Rion for instance.

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    • @Misos: for Piapro Studio I was just stating in general. And Miku's, KAITO's, Luka (V4), MEIKO's, Nana's, and Megpoid's English are known to work on Mac along with Cyva. MAIKA, MAYU, and Rion also work with Mac.
      I think I heard something about them wanting to make Ruby Mac compatible, but I can't find the source.

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    • MeerkatQueen wrote:
      @Misos: for Piapro Studio I was just stating in general. And Miku's, KAITO's, Luka (V4), MEIKO's, Nana's, and Megpoid's English are known to work on Mac along with Cyva. MAIKA and Rion also work with Mac.
      I think I heard something about them wanting to make Ruby Mac compatible, but I can't find the source.

      Fulviotrambusti mentioned YOHIOloid and AVANNA though, who won't work on Mac under any circumstances. VOCALOID on Mac is pretty limited right now. Windows is still far ahead.

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    • Misos13 wrote:
      MeerkatQueen wrote:
      @Misos: for Piapro Studio I was just stating in general. And Miku's, KAITO's, Luka (V4), MEIKO's, Nana's, and Megpoid's English are known to work on Mac along with Cyva. MAIKA and Rion also work with Mac.
      I think I heard something about them wanting to make Ruby Mac compatible, but I can't find the source.
      Fulviotrambusti mentioned YOHIOloid and AVANNA though, who won't work on Mac under any circumstances. VOCALOID on Mac is pretty limited right now. Windows is still far ahead.

      I think that's the only time that windows is ahead mac... compare logic pro to other software and you'll see....

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    • @Fulviotrambusti True. I'm definitely a Mac person myself. The one downside with Macs is that a lot of things don't run on it. That's improving lately, with more and more software becoming compatible, but there's still a lot of Windows-only stuff. It's pretty frustrating.

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    • ...  This isn't to do with Vocaloid (sorry) but I personally prefer Linux, as Mac is really expensive for the same hardware as what Microsoft Windows uses and Windows is just BAD.  Plus, Linux is open-source, less resource intensive, more customizable and generallly better.  But still, I digress, sorry for talking about non-Vocaloid stuff on this thread.  ^.^ '

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    • @anon 82, It can be related bak simply over the whole "compatibility" issue in an instant.

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    • Yeah, I realised that after I posted, sorry about that! >.<  However, I would like to see speech, Linux support (I see no reason why they would bother, though TT^TT), improved growl and whistling added in VOCALOID5, although I don't see how they would do that without recording more clips.  Then again, I probably don't know much about how it works, anyway.  Sorry if I don't understand it fully (or at all...).

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    • EmbraceEvil wrote:
      96.226.19.218 wrote:
      maybe an Indonesian Vocaloid, since there are people who have made good Indonesian songs w/ miku and gumi already lol (maybe rachie could be the voice provider for one :3) 
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juN7uzl8EI

      she'd also make a good english vocaloid too

      yeah maybe she could be a bilingual voicebank, she does do mostly english covers but her indo covers that she has done has been pretty cool too (I think kuri~n is indonesian too?) Maybe she can apply to that thing vocatone was asking people about (Shiroko would be good too, tons of other youtaite/utaite that'd be nice too although that's further along down the line)

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    • I would love to have Voicebanks for other languages, for example german (hehe.). The english voicebanks aren't so bad to make german words, but they haven't the sound "ch" or "ö" and that's a pity. :(

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    • I'd also like to see them add in third party Plug-In support or some variation to make the VOCALOIDs compete with Chipspeech in terms of making them sound completely different via a chunk of different parameters.

      Also a talk function would be nice (I honestly use VOCALOID more now to create little 'talkloid' snippets than actual singing) as well as a MIRIAM update.

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    • Sorry to double post but.

      Fix the GEN parameter because its not really that great in my opinion - unless you want them to sound like a chipmunk or a whale.

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    • Vocal fry, breath-loose technique(well the V4x crypton generation and Yukari kinda already had this), drawing-on-notes pitchbend, double the phonetic sample for A LOT natural sounding voice (like Chika) so that vocaloids can sound more natural like whispery or rápy husky sounding in lower notes and metallic in higher notes

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    • I would like another Korean Vocaloid, hopefully coming from another famous Kpop artist.

      I make Kpop covers, but at the start I was planning to make them in Korean, since I thought that Japanese vocals would cover the Korean words well. I couldn't find SeeU no matter where I looked, so I had to plump for Gumi, but like I said...they can't do Korean.

      Instead, I sent Japanese Gumi back and purchased English Gumi from Amazon, deciding to make English covers of the Kpop songs. It doesn't feel the same, sadly...

      A Korean vocal would really make my job easier, but with Kim Dahee in prison, it doesn't look like there's going to be a SeeU vocal for V5, or anytime soon. A popular Kpop artist such as HyunA would be what I was thinking of, or even one of the SM artists like Taeyeon, one of the girls from Red Velvet. Even a Korean guy Vocaloid would be good!

      Basically, I want a Korean vocal. Please. .__. V4 would be nice, but it would be more polished + perfect if it was planned all the way up to V5.

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    • More English accents more specifically British

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    • @Sampop12,the majority of Engloids in pre-V3 were british, Oliver and Avanna were the last two.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @Sampop12,the majority of Engloids in pre-V3 were british, Oliver and Avanna were the last two.

      wasn't Avanna Irish?

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    • EmbraceEvil wrote:
      Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      @Sampop12,the majority of Engloids in pre-V3 were british, Oliver and Avanna were the last two.
      wasn't Avanna Irish?

      That's dependable on the voiceprovider's nationality. If they're from Northern Ireland = British nationality. If they're from Ireland = Irish nationality.

      I presume she was marketed as a 'celtic female voice' because her voice provider is most likely British, and not Irish. And calling Avanna 'irish' may deem to be false advertising.

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote: @Sampop12,the majority of Engloids in pre-V3 were british, Oliver and Avanna were the last two.

      while Leon,Lola, Miriam, Sonika, Avanna and Oliver are British ( tonio and prima maybe? And Miriam is South African but I think she sounds British) The V4 Engloids are all American while i don't have a problem with that I would love to see a V5 British vocaloid as half of them aren't on sale, one is glitchy af and the other is a child vocal. i have nothing against Oliver at all but it would've been nice to have a male mature British vocal! As Avanna is a mature British vocal. We might be lucky to receive Avanna counterpart in v5. I guess I'm just sick of hearing American vocaloids which all seem to share type of vocal to me :/

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    • Sampop12 wrote:
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      I can actually 100% agree with this. We really need a mature British male vocal that isnt genre-driven. I think thats why I enjoy MIRIAM as she's very versatile in what her vocal can do (and is honestly one of the few reasons I wish for her to be updated, despite having a bad start when she was released in VOCALOID1).

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    • unfortunately, fans spent the last two eras of Vocaloid calling for the American accent... I do not think we'll return to it for a while.

      @5.67.162.153; The Republic of Ireland is part of the British isles... While its not 100% part of the United Kingdom or not, its still a British island. I know its a difficult concept to master for some, but there is Great Britain, the British Isles, the United Kingdom, England, Wales, Scottland, Northern Island and the Republic of Ireland, so things tend to get confusing. Its why when people say something is "British" that its really dependent on what they mean.

      The line between the definitions are vague to many at times, but in terms of the law and political and all that... Well things get touchy. I've met Scottish and Welsh who do not like to be called anything but "Welsh" and "Scottish".

      This is why I prefer to call myself "English" and not "British" as its easier to acknowledge I come from England then anything else here. I would not like to put a mark on Avanna too much, but I count her as "British" because Ireland is part of the Britsh Isles. Otherwise, if not for that I would not like to sit here and make a judge on N.Ireland versus R.Ireland and make judgement there. That is one gate I do not want to open for debate too wide. :-/

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    • Whenever they talk about vocaloids, their only ever Japanese or Yamaha vocals. We've never heard them mention some of the rest. I don't know, at least acknowledgement would be nice.

      Well, your wishes are now realized dear Angel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qivaxzQRiyE

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    • I want a Sonika V5 to be honest. I like the voicestyle, but her underlying technollogy is a no.

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    • From what I hear according to the more recent demos, it sounds to me like they're adding more features and options to the vocaloids at the cost of voice quality.

      It's probably just me, but I haven't been impressed by anything since Kaito's V3 demo with Cantarella "Grace Edition". 

      Let's work on making their voice less robotic and the transitions more smooth. Make it feel more natural. There's only a handful of producers out there who know how to work magic with vocaloids.

      IA was really good for V3. I want her to get V5 update. If not, then I want 1st Place to make another vocaloid. 

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    • Not ness. a lot of things didn't really change in V4 from V3... However, individual studios do vary their quality per release.

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    • @Angel Emfrbl, I do know that Ireland is a British Isle, (such as Isle of Man is too). However I was refering to the nationalities as to how a lot of documents record it (ie immigration papers, passports, etc.).

      As I'm also from Britain; it's dependable on the situation. If I'm talking to someone out of the UK or if its for legal reasons, I just refer to myself as 'British' whereas if I'm talking to someone who is from the UK or has been brought up in it - I'll refer to myself as 'English'.

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    • Does anyone else think the Vocaloid 5 engine will come out in 2017 or 2018?

      Think about it:

      Vocaloid 1 came out in 2004,

      Vocaloid 2 came out in 2007 (3 years after),

      Vocaloid 3 came out in 2011 (4 years after),

      and Vocaloid 4 came out in 2014 (3 years after).

      If they're gonna follow the same time pattern, then shouldn't Vocaloid 5 be released in the next 1-2 years? Vocaloid 4 has already been around for 2 years now.

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    • 5.67.162.153 wrote: @Angel Emfrbl, I do know that Ireland is a British Isle, (such as Isle of Man is too). However I was refering to the nationalities as to how a lot of documents record it (ie immigration papers, passports, etc.).

      As I'm also from Britain; it's dependable on the situation. If I'm talking to someone out of the UK or if its for legal reasons, I just refer to myself as 'British' whereas if I'm talking to someone who is from the UK or has been brought up in it - I'll refer to myself as 'English'.

      To be fair, though I consider her "British" I don't really think much about it. I prefer not to even really think too deeply about it. Nationality is moot in regards to most Vocaloids. So Avanna was made by a British/German company, has an Irish accent. But thats it. Even in regards to the Japanese, though their closer to being Japanese in terms of classification for obvious reasons, I prefer to just think of nationality as non-applicable. So when I say "British" I just mean "made in the British realms" basically and Japanese as "made in the Japanese realms".

      You know when they right "other" on forms for nationality? I once made someone annoyed with me as I put "English". They had a go at me since "British - white" was on there. My reply; "seriously, your British yourself and you don't get it?". The ethnic stuff is just so they can work diversity into their company often at times... For some, if a company has too many whites, their more likely to high a black guy to even things out and "look good". Its all non-sense. I hate terms "white" and "black"... Again when it comes to Vocaloid, though I've argued over Leon and Lola I just think the issue is moot. I hated the Merli skin stuff for this reason, I honestly didn't give dam her skin was darker when you can just change it in fanart...

      I understand though the reasons behind it. I do believe in credit where credit is due, this is why I made points on Leon and Lola as African descended musicians have a hard time getting it. This is something I always pray will correct itself with time. though I doubt V5 will be the engine. :-/

      @172.73.215.132. yeah we're halfway through V4. V4's actually been a relatively slow version... We've had less overall releases. As I pointed out at VO, the mobile editor has had 25 "releases", even though I do acknowledge some were the extra vocals. In V4 itself... I think a lot of people miss the excitement that V3 brought with its regular releases.

      I do hope they give more time for releases with V5... From 2010 onwards most studios were working on V4 vocals suddenly. I would say that we're starting perhaps to see the signs V5 is on the way as the new releases have practically ground to a slow. If V5 does not come out early this time (next year) I'll be surprised if it isn't released in the following year. The new guy who took over the project wants to make a buzz... I expet a little more from V5 then V4.

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    • I'd like to see more languages for VOCALOID and more appends for the current languages such as a dark append for an English vocals. I would also like to see more of the Macne series get a VOCALOID update.

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    • I'd like a V5 of every existing VOCALOID. And, of course, some new vocals ^^

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    • I would like to see some improvement in V5(1) Pitch-bending in every single note(2) Maybe cross synthesis between many appends at once, not two voicebank only(3) Allow the voicebank to show more significant identity so that each of the voicebank can sound more differently? So that even our friends that never listen to vocaloid still can recognize each of the vocaloid that have their own trait.(4) Support not only .wav file but also mp3, wma, ogg, and so on? Since the audio file that can be imported only limited to wav(5) Support more languages(6) Consider helping in develop different job plugin for each of the voicebank

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    • I would like to see some improvement in V5

      (1) Pitch-bending in every single note

      (2) Maybe cross synthesis between many appends at once, not two voicebank only

      (3) Allow the voicebank to show more significant identity so that each of the voicebank can sound more differently? So that even our friends that never listen to vocaloid still can recognize each of the vocaloid that have their own trait.

      (4) Support not only .wav file but also mp3, wma, ogg, and so on? Since the audio file that can be imported only limited to wav

      (5) Support more languages

      (6) Consider helping in develop different job plugin for each of the voicebank

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    • Note; you really shouldn't double post, I'd sign up as you can edit posts.

      That said... Thats a decent post.

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    • 1) Multi-languages, or at least every Vocaloid be billingual. 

      2) More Engloids. There are actually not a lot of Engloids compared to Japloids.

      3) More Japloids English! Rin and Len's English JUST came out - one of the most popular voicebanks! C'mon Crypton...give your Character Vocal Series some English.

      Language based, to be honest. ANDDDDD...

      4) Phonetic dictionary for EACH one. Get a reliable source to test it before hand and see what the tricky phonetics are for the 'loids! Or at least a link to a help guide for them!

      5) A tutorial, showing where everything is!

      6) Like V1, lots of features! There was tons of choices in V1 -- the robotic voices needed it more than them, but imagine advanced voices with tons of features!

      And the last one...

      7) Miriam. V4. Now. I'm not going to hope for Leon and Lola as their voice actors haven't been revealed, but I will hope for Miriam as she is available and wants to do it. I will start a petition. I will start a campain. I will write a song. I will do art for it! Hey, we should do some crowdfunding for it...it will be in the big bucks standard by 2020 (or further!)

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    • heh. Everyone already said what I was thinking! I would be really happy for the forgotten Vocals to get updates! I want to see more languages, It WOULD be more useful if all or at least more Vocaloid were bilingual. And didnt sounds almost totally different in a language that wasnt their native tongue. 

      Also...I would like to have more male Vocals. Female Vocals are obviously the dominant Vocals....I love the Male Vocaloid we have already, but aside from kaito, Len, and a bit of Gakupo...the others barely exist.

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    • Guys, remember; boys don't sell as well as girls. Plus, in every case of people demanding for boys, whenever push comes to shove the same set of folks will end up voting for their favourite characters as female or stuff.

      The ratio of English will never be really changed... Long story short... Unless you get more developers in. It takes x3 to make 1 vocal compared to Japanese, which can pump out 4 a year in the same time amount.

      @CrunchyCookies

      1. Never going to happen. Some studios like Ah software have said their voicers don't know English therefore they won't make a English vocal. Others like Internet co have only hinted a few for English. Zero-G only does English and PowerFX.
      2. See my first part.
      3. CFM have done English for all their vocals. Aside from XSY, their done.
      4. presume you mean using a Vocal for a language it wasn't built for. I don't think this is going to happen. Yamaha only seems interested in English phonetics for English vocals, Japanese for Japanese, etc, etc. Its a waste of time and its better for the user to find out. Plus a Japanese doing English is LQ. Plus its not 100% the same for all Vocaloid. A change of accent means that a English one, for example, can have heavier vowels if their American, or softer if their British.
      5. this occurs via Japanse magazines, the English version isn't well supported. Yamaha themselves made Vocaloid for professionals so they expect professionals to know their stuff.
      6. Okay, V1 has less features a little then V2, but at this its really basic compared to v4. aside from a handful of features that were remodeled in v2, or removed as nobody knew what they did...
      7. Aside from Miriam, I doubt Zero-G has contact with some of its providers. I don't think you should bug zero-g like this. A petition would need about 100,000+ signature to be even festiable to send in. zero-g hasn't updated because English vocaloid is a low profit production as it stands, and you have to buy a re-license cost for existing characters. Japanese vocals sell 10,000s and can afford it, their production is also cheaper due to less samples and no exportation tax costs.
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    • Yes I know. The Girls sell better. But one can still hope for more males every now and then..I would personally be really hyped about someone who sounds manly like vy2 (even though he/she has no genderrrr...) or gakupo! Or at least more girls that can sounds like a girl or boy. Like flower.

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    • If V5 is real, then the 100 vocaloid will be a mix of all voices? :V, just imagination

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    • I'd love to hear a vocal specifically designed to sound sad. Some of the really heartbreaking Vocaloid songs could be even more powerful if the voice behind it was... I don't know, more melancholy? Kind of like Tada Aoi's voice; if you've heard Brave Song, she's got this clear, beautiful voice that does very well in conveying lonely tones. I just feel that some of the best Vocaloid songs are the more emotional ones, and having a Vocaloid designated for such a purpose would make them even more effective. 

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    • Yanhe v5? I really don't want Shangai Henian to focus way too much in Tianyi and her friends and let Yanhe die

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    • Or maybe the option to write lyrics for korean voicebainks without using korean letters :l

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    • I Want That To Happen!

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    • Oka-Chan wrote: Yanhe v5? I really don't want Shangai Henian to focus way too much in Tianyi and her friends and let Yanhe die

      YOUR SO MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TIAYNI LIVES, QINGXIAN LIVES LONGYA LIVES YANHE...Dies???
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    • A spanish version for miku and some other vocaloids

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    • @ Conversation regarding YANHE updates:

      There is no way Shanghai HENIAN would dump her since she is part of the Vsinger cast.  That means she is most definitely one of the big priorities.  They have expressed an interest in updating ALL of their VOCALOID3s.  Despite the fact that Tianyi is the most popular, she also needs an update.  Some of her samples aren't the best and she could do a lot more with an update.  She is dated. Shanghai HENIAN has been making improvements with every VOCALOID they make and she would benefit well from that (and YANHE would too).

      Shanghai HENIAN actually needs to prioritize Longya, Qingxian, and Moke. Those three have been long overdue. If it weren't for the fact that the past president messed up, they all would have been released a while ago. However, that would also mean YANHE wouldn't have been released, so it's a good and a bad thing at the same time.

      It also should be taken into consideration that SHN basically has the power to do as it pleases with the projects. There's basically no other company actively competing with them since Gynoid does whatever with Flower and Xin Hua, and Quadimension/Beijing FUTUO kinda partnered with SHN anyways to make Stardust. :P As much as I would actually hate to see them follow Crypton's path and habits of update upon update upon update, at least they have schedules set for new(ish) refreshing vocals and characters.  In addition, SHN is willing to take commissions for new voicebanks if other groups and companies have the dough for it.  They did make Stardust's voicebank after all.  That's what the Voicebank Customize Project is for.

      YANHE is, for now, in a safe secure spot in popularity. She's actually more or less in the middle if you compare her with all Chinese VOCALOIDs combined. However, of the 3 Vsinger cast with released voicebanks, she is the least popular. But having that Vsinger brand marked on her puts her at a higher advantage over a VOCALOID like Xin Hua. I wouldn't start to worry about her being left behind until more Chinese VOCALOIDs become available. With SHN having the monopoly in the Chinese market, there really is no worry.

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    • I Desperately Want A v5flower Japanese And English

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    • Utatane Piko V5 maybe? And and English for him too? It seems as if it'll never happen. though TT^TT

      More male vocaloids (masculine and feminine ones)

      Growl for all vocaloids lmfao (also probably would never happen)

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    • 207.244.83.103 wrote: Utatane Piko V5 maybe? And and English for him too? It seems as if it'll never happen. though TT^TT

      More male vocaloids (masculine and feminine ones)

      Growl for all vocaloids lmfao (also probably would never happen)

      It seems that SONY has abandoned Piko. He's likely the only Japanese to be dammed to stay in the V2 software like all the V2 ENGloids (minus Luka) (Also, as much as I love his VP, VOCALOID Piko didn't really bring anything new; especially with Len around. Damn you Len)

      As Angel pointed out before, males have been shown to sell less than females. However, it does seem that males do better in the western market than the eastern market so  ̄\_(tsu)_/ ̄

      GWL for all VOCALOIDs can only be possible if each one was updated to the V4 (and inevitable later) engine(s). I believe that GWL samples have to be recorded and prior to V3, this was never done. GWL was a new feature that was brought with V4. And most companies would rather create new characters for VOCALOID rather than re-use old ones. (I believe that this is less expensive too)

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    • Okay Ummmmm...Let's See:
      What Are The Choices

      1. v5flower: Definitely
      2. RUBYV5: Maybe
      3. VY1v5: If There Is Gonna Be One
      4. Megurine Luka V5: Only If There Is A Chinese Vocal, Yes
      5. Megpoid English V5: They Only Care About The English Vocal:/
      6. New Female Vocaloid
      7. New Male Vocaloid
      8. VY2 Update: Of Course!
      9. And Drumroll Plz.............CYBER DIVAv5

      Effects:
      I Actually Really Do Not Care About The Effects If There I Gonna Be A VOCALOID 5, I Just Have Vocaloid 2, 3 & 4, So Yeah...

      Final Note:
      So If Their Is One, I'll Just Get A Vocal Of EBay Australia ;).

      PS: #goalsforvocaloidfuture

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    • @Mangolia: Pretty sure that the only ones on that list that will happen is just the new male & female vocals. Getting new vocals happens every year. YAMAHA seems more focused on creating new vocals rather than updating their pre-existing ones. Luka may get a V5 update, but KAITO, problobly MEIKO, and definitely Miku will come first. I doubt that Luka will get a Chinese VB but if Miku's is ever finished and is successful, possibly in the (very) distant future. (I doubt that Luka and the Kagamines will be updated till V6) PowerFX (much like Zero-G but not to the same strict extent) doesn't seem to be very interested in updating their pre-existing vocals. And if they do, Ann and Al would likely be at the top of the list. As for v flower's update, I think that the only reason she got updated to V4 was just so she could have the GWL function; since she was ment to be a Rock-type vocal. I would like to see Gynoid prove me wrong but at the same time I don't want them to end up favoring and focusing on only a few characters rather than creating new ones like CRYPTON does. We haven't had a new CRYPTON character in almost 10 years.

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    • @Meerkat: Thanks For Advice On V5VB's (If There Is Gonna Be One, If You Know What I Mean ;))

      Hashtag: #fandomrocks

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    • I want like miku in spanish, and some new vocaloids for spanish and new languages like french, and to update all the vocaloids that werent updated to v4, and those that were update to v4, some of them, the 25 most famous to update them to v5

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    • Puffle Fantasma wrote: I want like miku in spanish, and some new vocaloids for spanish and new languages like french, and to update all the vocaloids that werent updated to v4, and those that were update to v4, some of them, the 25 most famous to update them to v5

      @Puffle Fantasma: Miku Will Probably Not Get A Spanish Update. So Basically, It's A 2.4% Chance Miku Will Be In Spanish. Like @MeerkatQueen Said, Sony Abandoned Utatane Piko, YAMAHA Only Wants To Make New Vocaloids, Possibly A New French Vocal Will Be Released Since ALYS Was Originally Gonna Be A Vocaloid And Crypton Will Definitely Update Luka, Rin, Len And Miku.

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    • @Puffle Fantasma I think a Spanish Miku would certainly be interesting lol// I hope V5 would at least give us the opportunity for more Spanish vocals. Voctro Labs seems to have given up on VOCALOIDs at this point, which bums me out.

      I'd love to see a V5 update for Stardust// I love her vocal and I'd like to see if they updated her bank with things like Soft or Power vocals, and tried to make her sound more realistic. She has this weird metallic-ness to her voice, like YANHE, that's extremely noticeable.

      Of course the rumored male Korean vocal would be absolutely amazing. Not to mention that UNI English if it doesn't get to happen in V4. > v <

      Last but not least, an actual French VOCALOID...for the sake of all those who had their hearts broken and dreams crushed by VoxWave.

      And maybe...maybe no Western VOCALOID scandals/scams? That would be awesome-

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    • I just want continued improvements to the English engine, they still sound awkward a fair proportion of the time. And some cool designs! It would be really neat to see a new company enter the Engloid market, too.

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    • You mean English version, the engine is the same behind all languages remember. :-P

      I wish too for another native based company to enter the market. While its nice we have more English vocals then ever, we still lack natives. While we had Diva and Songman this time round, their the VY vocals of English. We don't know if a English vocalist will use Yamaha as a 3rd party like they did in japan or anything like that. :-/

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    • I want and engloid to get an update! (Mgpoid english does not count)

      and more boys! there are too many girls >.<

      I also just mostly want more diversity in the character designs... (I feel like people are gonna star flaming me for saying that or something XD)

      Also more spanish vocaloids! there are only three of them! why.....

      and I want lily and gakupo to get english voicebanks. plz. D:  

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    • Sachiko V5...?

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    • MagnoliaUTAU wrote:

      Oka-Chan wrote: Yanhe v5? I really don't want Shangai Henian to focus way too much in Tianyi and her friends and let Yanhe die

      YOUR SO MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TIAYNI LIVES, QINGXIAN LIVES LONGYA LIVES YANHE...Dies???

      NOT MY YANHE

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    • Oka-Chan wrote:
      MagnoliaUTAU wrote:

      Oka-Chan wrote: Yanhe v5? I really don't want Shangai Henian to focus way too much in Tianyi and her friends and let Yanhe die

      YOUR SO MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TIAYNI LIVES, QINGXIAN LIVES LONGYA LIVES YANHE...Dies???
      NOT MY YANHE

      You forgot Zhiyu Moke.

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    • XxrainboomxX wrote: I want and engloid to get an update! (Mgpoid english does not count)

      and more boys! there are too many girls >.<

      I also just mostly want more diversity in the character designs... (I feel like people are gonna star flaming me for saying that or something XD)

      Also more spanish vocaloids! there are only three of them! why.....

      and I want lily and gakupo to get english voicebanks. plz. D:  

      All of these are voicebank related, the V5 engine would have more capabilities... Whereas the voicebank related issues aren't always linked to the engine improvements and are independent. In short, one is at the mercy of choice when it comes to which vocals come to us each engine version.

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    • So, when do you guys think V5 will be announced/released?

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    • Unlikely this year, but end of net year or sometime the year after.

      By typical estimates, we're about halfway through V4's lifespan, if not passing over it or already passed by it. So we're about 40%-60% done with V4. Next year if V4 continues, we'll be entering the late game V4's which tend to meet a lukewarm reception as their late to the party. Though to be fair, the worst case situation is always the vocals that end up being released about a month or two around the announcement of the net engine version. So far the only gap to prevent such a case was in V2, and VY2 was a few months later then expected.

      So... Expect about 2019 approx... Though with a new guy at the helm this time round, the rough estimation could end up wrong this time. What tends to happen around the time of release is expected releases suddenly get delayed or put off, as Luka V3 was and Ruby. However, the studios don't really say anything of what their up to, they just keep things turning quietly without making announcements.

      Though we did have a blunder in V4 as one month prior PowerFX let the cat out of the bag...XD

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    • GAKUPO ENGLISH. FUCKING FIGHT ME.

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    • RIN AND LEN CHINESE. NOW.


      Edit: Since most Chinese voicebanks are Mandarin Chinese, I wonder what a Cantonese one would be like...

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    • >Most Chinese voicebanks

      But all of Vocaloid Chinese voicebanks are Mandarin.  Not "most" of them

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    • Whoops...

      But sill wondering what a Cantonese one would be like.

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    • Rinandlen4lyfe wrote:
      RIN AND LEN CHINESE. NOW.

      I believe thats there more people that want Kaito Chinese but i guess Rin/Len would be cool for Mandarin..... i don't know i'm just judging my opinion on what i was watching on Bilibili.....


      But Miku is more popular so let her get her mandarin voicebank before Rin/Len.

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    • People probably used Kaito (and Gackpo since I've seen them use him too) because there were no native Mandarin male vocals to choose from in 5 years...  It doesn't necessarily prove there's a demand for Kaito Chinese.  What were they supposed to use for males aside from genderbending the female Chinese vocals?

      Like honestly, the Vsinger vocals pretty much act like a counter to CFM's vocals.  Tianyi is like Miku, Ling is like Rin, Yan He, at least for her time, could act as a Len.  Longya would be like Kaito, Qingxian would be like Luka, and Moke would be like Len.

      In general, whenever a Chinese producer uses a Japanese VOCALOID, it's usually Kaito, Miku, Rin, or Len.  I saw Gackpo, Gumi, and IA a few times (Gumi English especially).  I rarely ever see usage of Meiko and Luka.  So in short, it's usually the popular ones.

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    • utatane piko v5.

      i know it's unreal but damn

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    • 37.47.232.145 wrote:
      utatane piko v5.

      i know it's unreal but damn

      ah, also, screaming vocaloid would be cool. With voice like Akatin or something.


      and utatane piko v5.

      yeah.

      cool.

      (DAMN SONY I HATE U)

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    • to be honest, if i hear another person complaining about sony not giving Piko updates.....

      Its sony's decision don't force them to update Piko.

      Another thing is nobody really talks about why he needs a update besides the fact of import tools are hard to get.....



      Honestly, what i want for Vocaloid5 is to make it easier for talkloids....

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    • KingSkyeRain wrote:
      to be honest, if i hear another person complaining about sony not giving Piko updates.....

      Its sony's decision don't force them to update Piko.

      Another thing is nobody really talks about why he needs a update besides the fact of import tools are hard to get.....



      Honestly, what i want for Vocaloid5 is to make it easier for talkloids....

      ...who is forcing them?... We can't force them, and "damn you sony" is a joke, you can see it under piko's covers.

      We're saying what we want. Not what has to happend, not on demand.

      chill, dudette

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    • 37.47.196.29 wrote:
      KingSkyeRain wrote:
      to be honest, if i hear another person complaining about sony not giving Piko updates.....

      Its sony's decision don't force them to update Piko.

      Another thing is nobody really talks about why he needs a update besides the fact of import tools are hard to get.....



      Honestly, what i want for Vocaloid5 is to make it easier for talkloids....

      ...who is forcing them?... We can't force them, and "damn you sony" is a joke, you can see it under piko's covers.

      We're saying what we want. Not what has to happend, not on demand.

      chill, dudette

      I seen people who been forcing them, and i know its a joke but not everyone in the community find it funny. i never said people can't enjoy the joke, just some people are actually taking the joke serious and it annoys some people.....


      I would like a Piko v4 but i don't think making 10000 jokes about it is going help.... mostly because v1 Vocaloids (like Leon and Lola) deserve updates more than most Vocaloids. i find the joke funny, strangly, i just hate people who take it serious by annoying sony over one Vocaloid which they could be working on something better than Piko......


      Either way, when i mean "forcing them" i just mean "annoying them". 


      sorry if i don't make myself clear but i'm perfectly chill.

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    • KingSkyeRain wrote:

      I seen people who been forcing them, and i know its a joke but not everyone in the community find it funny. i never said people can't enjoy the joke, just some people are actually taking the joke serious and it annoys some people.....


      I would like a Piko v4 but i don't think making 10000 jokes about it is going help.... mostly because v1 Vocaloids (like Leon and Lola) deserve updates more than most Vocaloids. i find the joke funny, strangly, i just hate people who take it serious by annoying sony over one Vocaloid which they could be working on something better than Piko......


      Either way, when i mean "forcing them" i just mean "annoying them". 


      sorry if i don't make myself clear but i'm perfectly chill.

      got it. i know, there was a big fuzz about making petitions to sony and stuff, that was not nice. also i just thought that you're done and pissed off because of this and i don't really like to make people feel angry aha,,

      Also, i'm surprised Leon and Lola, being quite popular at their times, didn't get an update, when kaito, being not all that popular in v1 times, got it. 

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    • Here are the sound samples which one of the developers of VOCALOID made.

      https://soundcloud.com/you/tracks

      I guess that a lot of wonderful matters will be realized in V5 :) :) :) :) :)

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    • To be honest, I just want VOCALOID5 to be vastly different to V3/V4.

      I didn't really like the V3/V4 updates at the end of the day because they didn't really add anything major for curators, and a lot of the things that were promised ended up not being what we expected (i.e. pitch rendering).

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