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  • This is to discuss the wiki's face. The Voicebank vocal library Plug-Ins will always be there, so everything else is up for arranging.

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    • I think the front page needs to be edited down a bit more. The External links can go at the bottom for one. And simplify the Derivative products and Games by using the CharPortal template.

      If we want to have more people here we should start showcasing the community features a bit more.

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    • I think the front page needs to be edited down a bit more.

      I agree. I've always thought the front page was extremely cluttered . I don't really know how this could be fixed though.

      And maybe the poll could be moved up a bit.

      The community messages should be somewhere on the front page...

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    • I'll start something tonight. I am still trying to shrink down the Associated wikis box, but the table is resisting.

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    • I think the merchandise bit looks odd... I preferred it when we had just 1 item showing at a time. The Merchandise tends to look most particular; maybe you would be best not having it showing at all?

      Other then that, don't have much else to say, though a few of the Derivative Products don't appear on this version of the template which is a problem. If I had to choose between showing them and showing merchandise I would go for them anyday.

      Before you edited, I was wondering if we could cut things down a lot more. Instead of every game linked, why not just one bit saying "Games" and it takes you to a general games page. Ditto for merchandise next to it.

      I had at one stage wanted to do this for the vocaloid engine releases themselves but having the boxes listed like this seems to benefit us more then hinder us. Though it would be nice to have less images on the front page... I think though, for generation Vocaloid4, we may have to consider how to cut downt he boxarts, especially if the next generation ends up as big as vocaloid3 has been.

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    • The Vocal showcase is what works the best for the main page. Their the primary subject of the wiki.

      I can cut down the Project DIVA section and merch section however. The directories are there for navigation, but I don't know about linking them.

      I'll test something out.

      edit: I compiled another Derivative template and put the main subjects of navigation. I need to do something about the ones that redirect to categories. Just if there is information that can expand on what a Company/Illustrator/Software etc, just so they can be articles.

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    • The new "Browse" section = BETTER. You did what I was trying to explain, though better then I could come up with. It makes the front page a lot better this way. :-D

      Should we keep the mascots on a random function like it is doing right now? :-/

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    • I think the featured mascot thing looks nice on the front. I would only guess shrinking certain images down more would do something.

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    • Why are things like fanmades or derivates in the main page?, I really think they shouldn't be in the "browse" section, it would be fine if they were in the "contribute" section under "Fan Content" sub section, like tutorials and cosplays.

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    • @Bunai, the images are not perfect matches, I didn't really have a size I was going for. Changing them is fine. The trouble was that each image is a variable size. Putting them at say !50px left some too small and others too big in comparison with each other. >_<

      the set-up from Featured article though is based on what the wikia "Monster High" did with their characters, having one randomly on the front page.

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    • They have to be edited and resized manually then.

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    • Because derivatives are a part of Vocaloid's history.

      I'll experiment a bit more, however.

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    • Even if you consider them part of Vocaloid's story, their are still just not official fan-content, please change it back where it belongs. At least their are somehow in this wikia.

      Aside of that, I think the "browse" section is a good idea with that format.

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    • No, your personal issue with derivatives will not dictate what goes on the front page. This topic is about arranging the main page for visual and loading purposes and suggestions for sections.

      I already blocked 3 of your previous IP addresses for spamming and vandalizing pages that related to this subject, so you're not making a good argument based on your actions. The derivatives and concepts here are due to official companies accepting them.

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    • Woops, I'll post it here then, sorry.

      I don't know, still looks extremely unpleasing and cluttered to me, there's just so many unnecessary things in it. Why do we need a rotating videos thing? Do people even use that (I know I haven't)? The "About the Wikia" thing could also be trimmed down a bit, maybe you guys can just lump with that black thing on top of it. "On this day" and "Did you know" are both useless and make it look cluttered, I mean it's nice to have it there but it just makes things look worse. Everything on the right just makes it looked cluttered. VOCALOID Mascto Highlight is completely useless imo, if it should be included it should be under the VOCALOIDs. Browse section is just hideous. I don't know, I've just seen much better wikias, this whole wikia is cluttered to be honest.

      Eh, thought I should include an example of good wikias I've seen.

      http://marvel.wikia.com/Main_Page Simple yet effective, gets people to where they want to be, not to where you want to push them.

      http://blackrockshooter.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Probably the prettiest Wikia I've seen, has a nice directory and includes the latest news (which is important in VOCALOID), the layout it really, really nice too, unlike the VOCALOID wikias.

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    • Sandbox an example of a layout.

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    • What exactly is sandbox? Angel told me to this for the weakness/strenghts of a VOCALOIDs but I had no idea how.

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    • It means either using the Vocaloid Wiki:Sandbox or making your own to create a personal work page. Example [[User:Xeyuzio/Sandbox]] or [[User:Xeyuzio/Main page]] anything that won't effect the primary name space which is what articles are because they have no assigned name space like "Vocaloid Wiki:" or "Template:"

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    • Still waiting on what your visual idea is.

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    • I think Xey needs some help Bunai... Either that or Xey has forgotten about it. :-/

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    • I have no idea how to test it, I tried making one and it's just too much effort for me, especially considering the Wikia isn't one of my goals. 

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    • Okay, then the front page will remain as is until I figure out what you are trying to say.

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    • I have a few suggestions. First of all, the big black "VOCALOIDwiki" box near the top could be moved to the very top of the page, since it's basically the introduction to the wiki. I'd also like to point out that it says this site is a "a collaborative website about the Vocaloid program and related", which makes no sense because "related" is not a noun, it's an adjective. Something actually has to be "related". Perhaps "a collaborative website detailing the Vocaloid program and its related entities" or something like that?

      Also, currently a black navbox thing is at the very top of the page. Most of the links in it are already on the tabbed navigation Wikia provides on every single Wikia page, but if it must be kept it could be moved below the big black "VOCALOIDwiki" box, and it could be changed to be prettier and take up less space. Perhaps the link could be made smaller and arranged in a row horizontally somehow? Like this.

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    • ....well then? ._.

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    • I think no one can comment.

      Only a few of us have access to the front page. :-/

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    • However, you few are very active here. As I'm not an admin, I'm not at liberty to change the setup of the front page, but I'm very much at liberty to suggest changes, especially since this thread exists for that very purpose. It would be very much appreciated if my suggestions could get feedback, and if they're deemed acceptable, be implemented.

      I joined this wiki to change things for the better, and this is one of the few things I cannot change by myself.

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    • Oh, those were small tweaks but the front page now looks a little more "modern".

      >currently lost in awe.

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    • Oh, the headers? ^_^ I'm glad you think they're an improvement!

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    • Yesh! :-D

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    • And yet you did it anyway.

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    • If you read my original post, Bunai, you'll see that I was suggesting things apart from header changes. The header changes I can make because they are in templates implemented in the main page, but the link bar and intro box are directly coded into the main page.

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    • Just grab the source code and tweak in the sandbox.

      Whatever raw coding you do on one skin it affects the other skin.

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    • Here ya go! - Vocaloid Wiki:Sandbox

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    • Okay. Seems to be running alright.
      Thanks.

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    • Hurray; thank you!! It definitely looks cleaner.

      I probably should also mention that I've done a little bit more tweaking on the main page templates. It's all for style; hopefully the page flows better now and doesn't feel as... mish-mashed?

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    • The images used on Mobile are large. I wonder if I should manually shrink them down http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Vocaloid_Wiki?useskin=wikiamobile

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    • That's a mess. o.o

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    • I just wonder what would be the right size that fits all the skins.

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    • Could you use percentages somehow? :/

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    • The chat module isn't working... any idea of what's going on? I put the <chat /> code in comment tags for now so it doesn't just sit there not doing anything.

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    • I think it's been turned off now.

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    • Would it be ok if ONA was on the main page since she sings in Catalan?

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    • I have a suggestion for the "Official Vocaloid Products" area of the main page. Right now, there's a tab for VOCALOID3 + NEO, one for Upcoming VBs, and down below are the Predecessors & Derivatives of VOCALOID. This arrangement is quite awkward, and I know it's disliked both here and on VO.

      Let's have three tabs:

      • VOCALOID characters: This for all released VOCALOID characters. Not voicebanks, but characters, arranged by date of original release.
      • Voicebanks: This is where the content currently at Predecessors & Derivatives of VOCALOID would go. Basically, it would consist of logos and links to the Status page for VOCALOID, VOCALOID2, VOCALOID3, iVOCALOID-, eVocaloid, and VocaloWitter.
      • Upcoming VBs: Basically what we have now.

      As usual, I'm more than willing to do the coding for it.

      EDIT: User:Chevsapher/sandbox


      EDIT 2: Never mind. After thinking this over, I think it would be easiest to do our tabs like the Spanish Vocaloid Wiki. Yes/no?

      EDIT 3: New design is up.

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    • I'd like to note that the advantage to using the tab view tabs, in comparison to the regular tabs, is each tab is counted as an individual page. Thus, when the main page loads, only the first tab will load along with it, and the other tabs will load only if clicked.

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    • There was zero agreement on changing the front page. Why did you do that?

      And none of this loads on monobook or properly on mobile. The reduced loading was the point of removing the tabs.

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    • Um.. When I said ONA should be added to the main page, What I meant to say was that ONA should be on the description of VOCALOIDs who sing in different languages. So would it be ok of that were to happen.

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    • I love the new front page it's beautiful but is is practical?

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    • Bunai82 wrote: There was zero agreement on changing the front page. Why did you do that?

      And none of this loads on monobook or properly on mobile. The reduced loading was the point of removing the tabs.

      There was also never any disagreement. When I propose things and no one responds, I go ahead and do them. And if I remember correctly, nobody originally brought up removing the tabs in the first place.

      As I pointed out, the tab view tabs work differently than the normal tabs. Each tab loads separately when clicked.

      It should be possible to hide the tabs in monobook, using Monobook.CSS. I'd go and experiment, but alas, I'm not an admin. This should be a good fix, since such a tiny percentage of people use monobook. As for mobile, I'm sure wikia will make it compatible in the future, since tabview is used on many different wikias that have the exact same problem.

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    • I didn't say "Hide" I said it doesn't function.

      And please stop using "small percentage" as an excuse for not adapting editing that works on various skins.

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    • I've been sitting here for thirty minutes now trying to figure out a solution. If hiding the template isn't a good solution, then there must be something we could do with Monobook.CSS. But again, I can't access that file, so I can't experiment. Looking around the internet, I've seen Java used to display different things based on the different skins. Unfortunately, Java is so danged slow, so that's probably not a good idea.

      Whatever we do, there are drawbacks. There's simply no way we can show all the voicebanks on the main page without having to load a huge number of images and have the configuration work across skins. It's just impossible. But when you look at how many voicebanks there are, what is really worthy of being on the front page?

      A very liberal idea... what if we did away with the tab concept entirely? Perhaps we could do something like Marvel Wiki does on their front page, showcasing the most popular and up-and-coming characters. Then under that, we could have a big fat "Click here to see all the VOCALOID voicebanks" button linked to the Status page.

      Likey? No likey? Better ideas? Everyone's opinion matters.

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    • You can test CSS at [[User:Chevsapher/monobook.css]]

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    • Oh cool! Thanks, Umbreon!!~

      I think I've found a decent fix for monobook, Bunai. When applied to the monobook CSS, this will hide all the tabs but the VOCALOID3 + NEO, and the Upcoming VBs will automatically be shown directly under it.

      #flytabs_0 {display: none;} #monobook_upcoming {display: block !important;}

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    • I don't agree with changing the front page too much but would love a suitable solution to removing a major weakness to the tabs.

      How we have the front page is not perfect, but there isn't much of an need to dramatically change anything until the next Vocaloid engine version comes out (V4).

      I've found with Vocaloid is we plod alone fine doing one thing for ages, then something turns up that cases us to major overhaul something, which is why change is not important until its called for.  :-/

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    • Showcasing only the most popular isn't something that appeals to me, due to the already severe lack of knowledge of the lesser known Vocaloids in the fandom. ): Although we are bound by technical compromise, it would be such a shame otherwise and be somewhat disengenuous with the purpose of the wikia.

      However, I am in favor of changing the awkward current setup, which also begets confusion.

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    • I just object to the re-adding of V1 and V2... V3's list already slows down folks with slow connections and we've got enough images on the front page. :-/

      Beyond that I tend to take the stance "I'm sure there is someone out there who does this better then me so I'm not bother".

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    • Looking at the front page now my only main issue is with the mascot highlight sitting where it is. I do not see why it needs to take up a fair section of the front page. I think it'd be much better sitting it where the rotating video currently is. It'd be a bit more squashed but it'd remove quite a fair chunk of the white space there is on that front page and bring the software much closer to the top.

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    • Let's ditch my "showcasing the popular loids" idea, okay? xD

      Regardless - do we want to have the tabs how I had them, now that I've found a workaround for monobook? I think that's the main issue right now. As I've said before, with myt tabs, the only one that loads initially is the V3 + NEO. The others don't load until clicked. Thus, image volume over slow connections is not a concern at this point.

      @Serza5 I agree, mascot highlight should be moved.

      @Angel I don't see what the issue is... you're making the issue more complicated by reverting my edits. Bunai was against multiple tabs because of the image volume, which isn't an issue now, as I stated above. And again, you have no more authority than I do when it comes to the front page.

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    • ^ The tabs with all the engine 'loids on it? Yes I loved it when I saw it and was pretty disapointed when it went. I get that it'll take longer to load but I find it easier to navigate to all the different Vocaloid software, especially for those who don't have V3 upgrades or are getting ones.

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    • Chevsapher wrote:
      Let's ditch my "showcasing the popular loids" idea, okay? xD

      Regardless - do we want to have the tabs how I had them, now that I've found a workaround for monobook? I think that's the main issue right now. As I've said before, with myt tabs, the only one that loads initially is the V3 + NEO. The others don't load until clicked. Thus, image volume over slow connections is not a concern at this point.

      That's something I noticed immediately when I first opened your version of the front page a few hours ago... it loaded a lot faster than before with the same format, and the tabs took no time at all to load as well when clicked on. Seeing as I used to have loading issues with the main page, it's a definite improvement and made the page feel somewhat shorter again.

      Though, still, it would be a good thing to also get input from someone who's viewing via mobile to see if it works on that end as well, since that was seemingly another issue about the change from what I'm reading.

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    • It'd be great if we could have the all the engine tabs on the front page. :D

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    • It loads *faster*? Wow. o.o

      I just now experimented with the coding, and I can't find any good way to present the tabs on mobile. The problem is, the mobile ignores all CSS, so there's no good way I can find to hide anything.

      On the other hand, it seems to perfect no worse than the current main page. If you want to see what it's like: http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chevsapher/sandbox?useskin=wikiamobile

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    • Blagh... "with the same tabber format from before." Me and my missing words.(>.<)

      But yeah, it did come up quicker, just as fast as if it did with the extra tabs removed. Sucks it's nothing that can be done the same way with that mobile format, though...

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    • It's not going to possible to do tabs of any kind on mobile, so it's sort of a lesser of two evils. Here's a deeper comparison between the mobile view of my tabs and the current tabs (old tabs? IDK. The ones Angel likes so much).

      My proposed tabs: http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/User:Chevsapher/sandbox?useskin=wikiamobile
      All tab info is hidden, but the actual "tabs" themselves are displayed as text. Upon clicking one of them the user is directed to the tab, displayed as its own page. So the content is accessible, it just needs to be clicked.

      Under that is the Upcoming info, displayed in its full form.

      Current/old tabs: http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Vocaloid_Wiki?useskin=wikiamobile
      Here, the tabs are stacked instead of hidden, in the order of VOCALOID3 + NEO and Upcoming VBs, followed by All engines.

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    • JUNE 2014

      I'm gonna to do a slight rearrangement. I want to have a featured article that isn't the mascots. I just need to figure out a way to make it easy to change. I wanted a RSS thing but apparently that doesn't work.

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    • Btw, Bunai, I've watched that some mascot highlight info is wrong. Like YOHIOloid "capable of sing in swedish" and Tohoku Zunko being "the first voiceroid turned into a Vocaloid".

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    • Fingersoop wrote:

      Thank you. My only edits to that template were to make sure it functioned, I didn't really get to read all of them. You can edit the templates incorrect information if you want. Although any Vocaloid can sing in just about any language, YOHIOloid wasn't created for Swedish vocalizing. I am not sure about Zunko, since Yukari's development was a bit of both worlds.

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    • It never said Yohioloid was capable of swedish, it said his provider was.

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    • Okay. I see the edit now.

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    • "Welcome to the Unofficial Vocaloid Wiki"

      ^ "Unofficial" shouldn't be capitalized. It would only be capitalized if the name of the wiki was actually "Unofficial Vocaloid Wiki", which it isn't; it's just "Vocaloid Wiki".

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    • Chevsapher wrote:
      "Welcome to the Unofficial Vocaloid Wiki"

      ^ "Unofficial" shouldn't be capitalized. It would only be capitalized if the name of the wiki was actually "Unofficial Vocaloid Wiki", which it isn't; it's just "Vocaloid Wiki".

      And besides, this Wiki may not be official, but people already get the fact that's it's not official.

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    • Ummmm the Vocaloid Wiki logo is showing up with a background, and the Voicebanks template is totally screwed up? Seriously, it looks bad.

      WUT HAVE YOU DONE WIKIA!?!?

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    • Eek, it's gone wonky on my screen too.

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    • I'm guessing it's part of today's update. I left a comment in the blog post. I wonder if any of the other wikis are having this problem?

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    • I can fix the problem temporarily by floating the images and clearing them. The front page should look acceptable again...

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    • make a dead ball project vol.7 wiki page please

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    • that has nothing to do with the front page.

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    • A FANDOM user
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