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  • I always wondered why so many people treated Luka like a prostitute. I know when they made her, they wanted to make her voice sexy, but that failed because of the softness of her voice. Why do they dress her in such revealing and skimpy outfits? I believe and agree with Luka in this song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bFSRvUcj8w

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    • Well, to be honest I'm not exactly sure but this is what I think, For one, it's the fan's/producer/whatever's choice to draw/sing/whatever her. And I'm guessing her outfit has something to do with is possbly. Theres no really true answer to 'why' I guess, but this is just my opinion. I'm guessing with trying to make her voice sexy, her design was supposed to be sexy to. I apologize in advance if I'm wrong with the design piece. 

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    • I know, but i get so upset when people use her for THOSE kind of videos!

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    • Large boobs, "sexy" facial expression on boxart, and a revealing outfit.

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    • Luka is just a voice synthesizer, you know. Heck, I'm not exactly sure if I should use she or it. 

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    • 24.141.167.171 wrote:
      Luka is just a voice synthesizer, you know. Heck, I'm not exactly sure if I should use she or it. 


      Exactly.

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    • It is something, as the first anon said, that producers are free to do and with the lack of personality in most Vocaloids including Luka there's nothing stoping them to say "No she isn't like that", but even then producers do as they please and nothing is preventing them from doing that.


      Her "slutty" nature in some songs is most likely due to the fact that even out of the big 8 she's one of the oldest next to (arguebly) Meiko, and alongside Lily. It's not a nature i've seen in most Luka ones though, she's either just a mature lady or a Geisha girl. Most disturbing i've seen of Luka is Wash My Blood.


      But at the end of the day every Vocaloid has a differing personality in each song so there's bound to be ones you may not like as much and you aren't required to agree with them and hence not listen to songs where they are protrayed like that.

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    • How she's portrayed is similar to the Len situation, where he is made into a shota, because of his girlish demeanor and feminine voice. She's portrayed as "slutty" sometimes because of her age, voice, and appearance. People go off that, and make songs relating to those features. But keep in mind that not everyone thinks that way, like in the comment above me, Vocaloids can have any personality,"you" the producer, wants them to have. For example, on moment she could be singing something dirty, the next, she's in the army, lost her mind, and singing about joining a tribal group in the forest who worship a tuna god, and she becomes the head shaman of the village...anythings possible :3.

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    • .....wat.

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    • Yep... I just blew your mind with that statement. Another idea for a song!!! Megurine Luka is pimping out all the male vocaloids in rainbow land. Where all the octupi live, and Gakupo is their worst employee so he gets bitch slapped a lot by Luka. Also, Len is their best employee, and everytime he comes back he has suction cup marks on him. Also at the end, she makes enough money to buy a carrot ship from Gumi and flys to the moon to dance to the caramelldansen with Miku for the rest of their days. Oh and also, the rest of the female vocaloids ruled the world, and forced everbody to twerk...FOREVER!!!! The end :3

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    • Why not? Haven't you seen how badass she can be for her life after vocaloid?:

      http://myfigurecollection.net/picture/493601&ref=item%3A72522

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    • Well, Crypton fans felt the lack of a "mature" woman type. Imagine Miku wearing skimpy outfit... ugh gross (for a supposed 16 year old?). This could have happened to Meiko if not only because of her association with Sake... now she looks like some hag. Plus the fact that Luka has long hair and well... somehow "sexy" voice.

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    • They tried to make her voice sexy, but it failed with the softness of her voice. Even Luka said she was through singing for ungrateful people that only look at her boobs and butt in the song i posted.

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    • Meiko's boxart was not meant for being her avatar though but more as a portrayal of her voice provider Meiko Haigou. Anime-styled or cartoon characters is just apart of everyday life in Japan and is used very often to promote product of all sorts so that is mainly the reason why her boxart is like that. She is also the first Japanese Vocaloid thus making a pattern of having characters represent the Vocaloids rather than images of people in Vocaloids prior to Meiko. It was used with Prima and Tonio again afterward but they're not as popular. 

      Even Bruno and Clara had to have their boxart changed due to the outcry of fans. Appearance may matter but its not everything.

      Honestly I don't find Luka's "avatar" to be "sexy". Rather that she was drawn to look asymmetrical looking different at each angle. Her proportions are really the most warped out of most of KEI's artwork so that she can be drawn in many ways. Again like in many comments prior to my own all Vocaloids can be seen as innocent and all Vocaloids can be seen as sexual it all depends on the user. Its just to those who are new to the franchise there is a stigma with many of the Vocaloids that label them based on how they are appeared as.

      If anything I think that this thread should be more worried about how Meiko the root of all Japanese Vocaloids is portrayed rather than Luka because Luka gets lots of attention. Most of Luka's song that are the most popular don't even portray her in the sense that makes her "sexy". We don't complain about how people make Miku or Gumi sexy and scandalous when they have plenty of songs like that. They wear things that are just as short as Meiko can expose just as much. Yet its okay with most of the fans and is disregarded.

      Though Miku may be the most used Rin and Len are typically the most favored it seems at least from my own perspective because the only thing people really worry about with them is whether they're lovers or twins or neither (though its obviously completely up to you). 

      I only see Luka as one of the most emotional sounding Vocaloids for Crypton Future Media and with proper editing can sound really great despite her slurring and quiet voice. From what I gathered her voice was meant to be darker, mature, and husky. I don't remember her voice being described as sexy persay but maybe I forgot. All I'm going to say is just disregard how others portray your favorite character just like any other artist in the real world, anime character or tv show character.

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    • ^ Bless

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    • Her outfit isn't even that revealing!!!

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    • ^ Exactly, I think people like to call is "revealing" all because she has a slit in her skirt, and even them most of her leg is hidden anyways, its really only the top part of her leg you see. There are other females who show way more skin than her. Ex.: Gumi V3 and English Gumi, Lily, CUL, ect. Even then those vocaloids are just as decent as Luka, though I don't hate any Vocaloid anyways. 

      Even then I find it very unfair to judge a vocaloid based on it's design, but sadly this is how the fandom is, it will probably never change. :\

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    • I still don't get why some of you are getting your knickers in a twist over 1 representation for a character, especially for one where there's plenty of them.


      People are going to view her like this and that's fine, you can just ignore it if you don't like it and move on.

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    • I do have to admit that I am guilty of kinda sexualizing Miss Luka-san myself; my most recent video (featuring her) is proof.

      http://youtu.be/11Ty_JJ9yUo

      As hard as this may be for some of you to believe, I try to be tasteful if I dare to make content like this, especially with Miss Luka-san.  As I see it, out of all the female Vocaloids, Luka Megurine is all sorts of voluptuous, all sorts of gorgeous, all sorts of sensual, all sorts of beautiful.....in short, she is fancy.  Therefore, she's not some sex object of sorts, whereas Haku and Meiko could be (especially Haku lol).  However, proper definitions for Miss Luka-san vary from person to person; for instance, what is "cute" to one is "hot" to another (Miku is cute, but others will say "Oh she's hot!", possibly other hormonally-charged commentary, etc.....though Miku has the potential to be hot, so hey).......therefore, Miss Luka-san will be viewed by others as "hot" or "Oh I wanna **** her!!" or whatever similar.  Unfortunately that's just the nature of most people, and consequently much of the Vocaloid fanbase.

      Mind you all, though, that I'm just stating an opinion of a Vocaloid.  I'm not with the pleasure-police or some crazy group; I can't stop people from making songs or videos in accordance with what they desire.

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    • I have to agree with the original post, I think Luka has turned into a Mariyln Monroe rather than a singer.

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    • ^ Implying she was a bad person

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    • I would've thought Meiko or Haku would be treated like prostitutes instead of Luka. After all, their clothes are far more revealing. As much as I love vocaloid, the producers are the ones who can do what they want to the vocaloid they choose. Besides, it's just songs. It's not like it's actually happening. I do understand your complaint though.

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    • Revealing outfit? One slit is apparently the most inappropriate thing in the world >.< you'd think people would be picking on meiko

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    • Ambelia12349 wrote:
      Revealing outfit? One slit is apparently the most inappropriate thing in the world >.< you'd think people would be picking on meiko

      Pft, they already pick on MEIKO for that.

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    • Tell ya whats revealing, (not to change the topic) is Meiko's Blue Crystal outfit. Not only that, but i found the blue crystral cosplay on google. I wouldn't wear that for a million dollars!! Oh, maybe i would, for a million dollars that is! >:3 im evil

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    • LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AT "EVERY VOCALOID HAS SOME DIRTY SONGS AND IS PORTRAYED IN A DIRTY MANNER"! "OTL

      Sorry but it's true. Everyone has their opinions and some people make strange songs because they want to. I can't think of any (non-private) Vocaloid that hasn't sung something dirty or controversal. Even Miku could be said to have a reveling outfit so lets just all agree on that most companies try to make their Vocaloids atractive (even male Vocaloids ).

      --MahApplez

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    • ^ I do beleive "make their designs appealing to the market they're aiming for" would be more appropiate given that, for example, Zola's boxart isn't exactly the most attractive thing to the typical weeb in this fandom.

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    • I think that the reason people think Luka's skirt is revealing is because she never looks like she's wearing underwear under it. Even in the Project DIVA live concerts. She is also often depicted as having her skirt blown by the wind, so combine the apparent lack of underwear and her skirt blowing up and there is a plausible theory as to why people treat her like this. And someone wayyyy up there said something like 'imagine Miku in a revealing costume... a 16 year old :/ ew.' Well it's even worse for Rin; she's only, like, 14 or something and people still depict her in artworks having lustful connections to Len and Kaito and all dem other guys... now THAT is gross. The sad part is that, on DeviantART, you could go through, like, 50 pieces of artwork before finding something where the vocaloids are dressed 'decently' -.-

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    • It's really sad actually that they're treating Luka like this. I got into Vocaloid because of KAITO and Len and I really loved Miku, Luka and Lily. Now they're treating Luka like this.

      I was interested in Vocaloid for a long period of time and Luka helped me with that because I loved her songs and I know its not only me who got into Vocaloid because of her.

      I've seen the Project DIVA concerts and like one of the replies up there, her skirt is being blown away way too much. As if she was Marilyn Monroe or something.

      WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING TO JAPAN AND AMERICA THESE DAYS. ngg *facepalm*

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    • Leave it to the 21st century to turn characters, body parts and even voice synthesizers into slutty stuff. I just really miss the old days.

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    • Not sure why people are like this with Luka and Meiko when Miku and Rin are wearing relatively and arguably shorter clothing for their boxart. Just because of a lack breasts doesn't mean they can't be seductive and "slutty". By far I find there are way more Miku and Rin songs that are questionably sexualized not to mention a fair other number of Vocaloids such as Gumi. We can't focus in on one of the Vocaloids being like this since almost all of them that are more mainstream and more successful have been put into this position even the males.

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    • 121.54.54.50 wrote:
      Leave it to the 21st century to turn characters, body parts and even voice synthesizers into slutty stuff. I just really miss the old days.

      In the Victorian era, it was sexually improper not to have covers on table legs.

      I tentatively suggest you rethink your philosophy.

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    • Almost all female characters are treated like sexual objects unfortunately, especially well-endowed ones like Luka and Meiko. It's really gross.

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    • Dizzyzebra wrote:

      121.54.54.50 wrote:
      Leave it to the 21st century to turn characters, body parts and even voice synthesizers into slutty stuff. I just really miss the old days.

      In the Victorian era, it was sexually improper not to have covers on table legs.

      I tentatively suggest you rethink your philosophy.

      Uh... wow. I did not know that.

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    • 70.27.49.73 wrote:

      Not sure why people are like this with Luka and Meiko when Miku and Rin are wearing relatively and arguably shorter clothing for their boxart. Just because of a lack breasts doesn't mean they can't be seductive and "slutty". By far I find there are way more Miku and Rin songs that are questionably sexualized

      I agree entirely; in fact, my mum disapproves of Rin just because of how short Rin's shorts are... I find so many songs where Rin and Miku are questionably sexualized, and if you think about it, some of the fans are really messed-up because they ship rin with kaito. Kaito is, like, in his 20's or something, while she is 14. Kaito is NOT supposed to be a pedophile, but these messed-up fans obviously get some sort of weird sick pleasure from that sort of thing... it makes me feel kinda sick.

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    • @Ivy; note, in Japan, the age you can "do it" is 13. This means that Rin x Kaito, is not the image of pedophilia that you are trying to put it on. Also Kaito doesn't have an official age like Rin.

      However, in many western countries, the age IS 16, which is why we have mroe of an issue with it and it seem "wrong" to us. :-/

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    • @Angel; Really? I didn't know that... that's really the legal age in Japan? I just... wow. I just think that that is somehow wrong. and I know that Kaito lacks an official age, but he is usually portrayed as being between the ages of 18 and 40. And I don't live in Japan, and a good deal of the people that make these Rin X Kaito songs probably don't live in Japan, so to me it is pedophilia.

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    • Until I think it was, 1998, there was no limit on age in Japan.

      Also, don't forget in our own countries at one stage there was no age either, so if you go back a thousand years, married between a 10 year old and a 30 year old were also not questioned. :-/

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    • @ Ivy - Of course it's wrong to you, that's how you were raised.  If you were born or raised in Japan, it would be completely normal to you.

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    • I have to ask, too....would this count as ill-treatment of Miss Luka-san?

      http://youtu.be/_K0tjO5Y8dk

      The whole thing with Miku x Luka yuri is just something I'm playing around with, as has a lot of people prior to me.  For the most part this is meant to be lighthearted.  Though, maybe this video isn't an appropriate representation of ill-treatment of Miss Luka-san, mostly because there is a little lecture of sorts in the middle of the video based on how I feel about her.

      I think all I can do is just stand by what I already said originally in this thread, that despite whatever feelings we ourselves may have of certain characters, what's something to us is different from others.

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    • Ivy Pendragon wrote:
      @Angel; Really? I didn't know that... that's really the legal age in Japan? I just... wow. I just think that that is somehow wrong. and I know that Kaito lacks an official age, but he is usually portrayed as being between the ages of 18 and 40. And I don't live in Japan, and a good deal of the people that make these Rin X Kaito songs probably don't live in Japan, so to me it is pedophilia.

      I expect some countries base it on emotional maturity – so about when you become an adult, and others on puberty – so about 13.

      It's also influenced a lot, I expect, by culture and religion.

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    • Hmm. True words ^^^

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    • @Diz, there are still countries that will marry you off as soon as you hit 8 years old and in certain countries, girls are just considered marriageable when they have their first period.

      Either way, the Kagamine's is a example of cultural conflict from Japanese and western fans.

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    • Oh yeah, to clarify: I was talking mostly about the developed countries. orz

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    • ^I never said what countries I was talking about though.

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    • StarsandPeacesigns wrote:
      24.141.167.171 wrote:
      Luka is just a voice synthesizer, you know. Heck, I'm not exactly sure if I should use she or it. 

      Exactly.

      ^That's also how I feel about shipping.


      It's like "Oh hey wouldn't it be cool if we made a pairing with our softwares ahaha"


      OK, but that's beside the point.


      Honestly, since in reality all VOCALOIDs are just software, the producers could've made up their own designs for her this whole time to use for videos, but everyone is just bound to designs. I think that's the point Yamaha was trying to make with VY1 and VY2, to be honest

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    • Adding on to what I just said-



      I'm planning on buying her V3 when it is released, and I am planning on coming up with all kinds of new outfits for Luka to wear in my videos, because 1) it's more original and 2) I don't support Luka being sexualized the way she is.

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    • 76.92.67.202 wrote: but everyone is just bound to designs. I think that's the point Yamaha was trying to make with VY1 and VY2, to be honest

      "Trying to" would be the best way to put it because unfortunetely people are lazy and when they see a design they like (See 66_(Roro)) they will not make their own and hence simply re-use popular designs.


      Let's talk a bit more about Roro here though since it's the best way I can describe this point i'm about to make. If you look up "VY2" on youtube you're bound to come across him in the vast majority of VY2 covers (sadly enough, although that's a completely seperate discussion from this). This is mainly due to the fact that most fans seem to associate the Roro character with VY2 and hence people are more likely to click on that video since they see a face they're familiar with.


      Needless to say that this is why Vocaloids with "characters" work better than those who don't; because if fans can see a singer singing the song other than a simple piece of software they have this fake sense of beleif that they are hearing an actual singer.

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    • I wonder that too! In some songs Luka is a respectable teacher or Lady in the background, and in others she's.....yeah..... There's even this one part in PartyxParty where it shows Luka and Meiko's thingies....not to mention that Luka's in a skimpy outift and names as an "Exotic Dancer".

      Here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6YDZGVHL4

      It's at 1:41.

      Poor Luka.

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    • Twinny^-^Tails wrote:
      I wonder that too! In some songs Luka is a respectable teacher or Lady in the background, and in others she's.....yeah..... There's even this one part in PartyxParty where it shows Luka and Meiko's thingies....not to mention that Luka's in a skimpy outift and names as an "Exotic Dancer".

      Here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6YDZGVHL4

      It's at 1:41.

      Poor Luka.

      So don't she and Meiko get the bad end of the stick then? I understand that Crypton wanted her voice to sound "sexy" but couldn't because of the program, but was this the way they wanted to try to solve it? By making her like this? 

      Or maybe there is some odd fanservice mixed in here somewhere....

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    • @Rinny : By the sounds if it you sound like you're saying Crypton make the songs when it's just individual producers.


      Either way it is up to them (the producers) how to portray the characters in song. She can be a sexy dancer there but there's nothing stopping you from making her a cute little girl in your song, or art, or whatever.

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    • @Serza5 - True true. 

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    • well, really you can find pictures/videos of any of the vocaloids/utaus in skimpy clothes. so it's not just luka

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    • @ Anon : I think the problem with this particular case is that there's more skimpy pictures/videos of Luka than anything else. Ofc all Vocaloids get this but because Luka is more mature and "sexy" looking she's a greater target for such fan service.

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    • Twinny^-^Tails wrote:
      I wonder that too! In some songs Luka is a respectable teacher or Lady in the background, and in others she's.....yeah..... There's even this one part in PartyxParty where it shows Luka and Meiko's thingies....not to mention that Luka's in a skimpy outift and names as an "Exotic Dancer".

      Here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px6YDZGVHL4

      It's at 1:41.

      Poor Luka.

      Damn...too bad the video's unavailable.

      Not to solicit, but my opinions of Miss Luka-san can be read in one of my videos; if you want, you can just skip to 0:11 of the video, which is where the explanation of what I'm saying here starts.

      As I said a year prior, though, there's no stopping people from wanting to use Vocaloids as sex-toys, especially Luka in this case.  It's sad that it happens, and for me it always challenges my views, sense of treatment, tastes, and whatever else.  I mean, I look at this picture, and see that it's a proper reflection of how she is, in my opinion, the most beautiful of all the Vocaloids......then I'm thinking about how people make hormonally-driven exclamations about her, which again challenges my outlooks.  Then again, who am I to kid?  If I was with Miss Luka-san in person, and if it were possible, I'd be holding her and snuggling with her and stuff. ^-^ <333

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    • for me I would treat luka like lady if I with miss luka in person.  luka I feel is a vocaloid with class. her vocals sound mature and smart. 

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    • You should keep in mind that not only is she a fictional character, she doesn't actually have a canon set personality, same with most Vocaloids. Anyone is free to interpret her and the others however they like, just as you are free to not like those interpretations.

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    • If anything I feel sorry for Meiko to me she's the one that's always sexualised yes Luka is but nothing compred to Meiko.

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    • I think there is a problem because there is also a point to note that showing sexuality of a person or character isn't necessary bad. Its just knowing when to draw the line.

      For example; modern feminists draw it as showing the slightest bit of a woman being basically... Well... A woman... I still remember one feminist capmaigner gunning at video games basically said that there should be more games at girls. But the example she gave was "relationships" as what makes a thing "female aimed". Most fellow female gamers I've come crossed just want to play the same games the boys play. But ths situation gets to the point where the reality is "we need more female characters" and nothing else.

      Basically, Luka in a single song singing about say... Sex... Or Meiko or any other female vocaloid, isn't a clause for alarm. What is a cause for alarm is when the producer only puts a female vocaloid out as this and then goes and treats male vocaloids entirely different. To be honest, I've read fanfiction made by girls when I was younger that made me feel sick reading it, so guys can be depicted the same.

      Basically, the line is drawn at Vocaloids being shown in a degrading way, which might not even be to do with Sexualisation or anything liek that. Sexualisation can actually be flattering. You can depict a mature adult doing something you expect a child to do and it can be just as degrading. Basically, when you don't give the character respect it deserves, then its degrading.

      The other problem is, song depiction... A Vocaloid can be innocent in one song and a she-demon in another. It make sthis whole thing hard to put a finger on it. >_<

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    • I think depicting Meiko as a drunken domestic abuser is far more insulting than making her sexy. Is that still a common fan depiction? I really hope not.

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    • Tortoiseshel wrote:
      I think depicting Meiko as a drunken domestic abuser is far more insulting than making her sexy. Is that still a common fan depiction? I really hope not.

      It still is, unfortunately *Facedesk*

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    • @Tort : It depends what you mean by "sexy". It on it's own is fine enough but sexy can also lead down the line of sex object territory and go beyond into being the center of "rape" jokes.

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    • @Misteryeevee: *exhales disappointedly*

      @Serza5: Yeah the line between "sexy" and "sex object" can be a very fine one, especially when dealing with fictionally characters, and even more so with Vocaloid since they, in a way, are literally objects.

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    • It also depends on the overall perspective of the person viewing the character. Luka is an argueble case since she has no solid personality or whatever but then you look at someone like Wallace who comes from Pokemon and thus is in an environment where he'd never be overly sexualised (Because obviously Pokemon is a kids game) and yet you will get people calling him a stripper. Heck if we want to stick to VOCALOID just look at any design that dares shows off midriff be referred to as sluts.


      In other words whether characters are being shown as sex objects or not we live in an unfortunate society where people will view them as such anyway.

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    • Ambelia12349 wrote: Revealing outfit? One slit is apparently the most inappropriate thing in the world >.< you'd think people would be picking on meiko

      I've heard "MEIKO sucks because she's a slut" literally one of the reasons people say they hate MEIKO is because they call her a slut. I don't think I've seen people hating on Luka because of her so called revealing (ignoring V4x) design Sliding a bit off topic I love the different variations of "I'll quit singing" they're all just so funny. www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Vjkp9vFuU www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVGMWY-g89c

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    • Tortoiseshel wrote: I think depicting Meiko as a drunken domestic abuser is far more insulting than making her sexy. Is that still a common fan depiction? I really hope not.

      Even I think this is a degrading image of Meiko.

      Edit: A lot of the issues with Meiko is just because people don't seem to fully grasp the concept of Vocaloids being what you want them to be. And a lot of people are introduced to drunken Meiko before any other type of Meiko.

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    • Tortoiseshel wrote: Almost all female characters are treated like sexual objects unfortunately, especially well-endowed ones like Luka and Meiko. It's really gross.

      Yeah.... Like this pics going a bit too far. http://wallpoper.com/images/00/31/08/01/vocaloid-megurine_00310801.jpg

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    • Eh, I've seen a lot worse. I think that picture is more cheap and poorly drawn than anything. Meiko's outfit is tacky as hell and Luka's breasts are so big, they should be reaching her navel with how little support she has. And their lips are just creepy and eugh. I never understood how this kind of art is supposed to be attractive, it just looks tasteless.

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    • Bare in mind I've seen cosplayers throw a wig on their head and pose naked and then claim its their "Miku cosplaying". How...? By throwing on a wig... Also... Why are you putting up images that can be used against you in a PUBLIC PLACE such as Deviantart.... Soft to say, much, much worst does indeed exist.

      I've seen pictures of Luka with boobs that could be mistaken for blimps.

      The thing is, the only way to get boobs that big is via implants... Its possible to suffocate yourself. And they look UNSIGHTLY, see Lolo Ferrari. Their not 100% of the cause of her death, but suffocation wasn't ruled out. Implants THAT big put pressure on the chest area, crushing the lungs and ribs. So guys drawing Luka or any other character with Lolo-sized boobs are basically saying "this woman should suffer for my selfish sakes". :-/

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    • The "throwing on a wig and calling it cosplay" is a mix of I think two things: laziness on the part of the "cosplayer", and a side effect of many anime-esque characters' only defining features being their hair and clothes. And when you take away the clothes, obviously the only thing left is the hair.

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    • Here's the thing though

      1. None of the Crypton Vocaloids have defined personalities, the reasoning for this is for producers to have freedom to produce whatever kind of songs they want, and however you put it, there are going to be producers who want to make songs with some sex appeal. With Luka having a husky voice and a mature stature, she's probably one of the best Vocaloids for that type of song.

      2. Crypton basically made her for those kinds of songs, as Wat has stated a number of times that he wanted Luka to have a sort of "sexy" feel to her.

      3. She's a very popular Vocaloid, and if you take a look, the more popular Vocaloids are very prone to this type of situation, like the other Crypton Vocaloids for instance. Miku has countless songs meant for that type of genre, for Rin not as much, but many do exist, and Len, need I even say anything about Len? SPICE should be example enough. Luka is simply the same way, probably moreso because again, she's a much more mature voice than other female vocals before her, and she was intended to have a sort of sex appeal. The fact that she's bilingual probably contributes to this a little as well.

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    • Tortoiseshel wrote: The "throwing on a wig and calling it cosplay" is a mix of I think two things: laziness on the part of the "cosplayer", and a side effect of many anime-esque characters' only defining features being their hair and clothes. And when you take away the clothes, obviously the only thing left is the hair.

      I still wish they wouldn't. Their not showing enough respect for themselves, let alone the character they are "cosplaying" as. Even then, by adoring the wig and calling them that calling they are selling a fantasy. :-/

      @CursedMyth, there is *some* restraint in what you can do. Its part of the agreement. However... As even Miriam Stockley, Wat and others have noted, once the software is in the hands of someone there is no control. People see the Vocaloids as "dolls" and make them do whatever they want them to do. As morally as wrong as it is, you have not much more control over what a person does in Vocaloid as you do with stopping a person buying it. And if they never publish their fantasies... How one can know what a producer is up to?

      I think everyone knows this is a problem somewhere along the lines... Even Yuki has had issues and she is 9 years old, Oliver gets it too from time to time and he is 12 years old. I'd rather they live their fantasys on Luka and not Yuki or Oliver. At least she is a "mature" designed vocaloid and isn't inappropriate.

      The Kagamines are grey areas, because the age of consent for Japan is 14 and 16 in the west. So there is conflict of interest between east and west there. I just avoid Kagamineland anyway myself so I never encounter them, though I do find myself from time to time having to explain the age thing to western fans in passing conversations.

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    • It's up to the producer to determine her. If they alternate her for being a sexy or promiscuous character, they can. People did this with Rin before, hell, even Lapis! So does it matter? Who are you to say they cannot?

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    • I think its not a case of people saying what you can and can't do, its a case of someone not being comfortable with the way the portrayal is out of concern.

      Particular with females, there is a degrading level of which people view them as, which i some cases is bad. They wouldn't do this for a man, but they would degrade a woman. Don't forget many cultures still women as a second class citizen and those that don't aren't perfect and have had centuries of unbalance already.

      But the important word is "uncomfortable" followed by "concern", either way because just as drunken Meiko, too much portrayal in this manner means the fandom won't let the issue go. Some fail to understand that personality DO change per song and that Kaito + Ice cream isn't as official as they think, even if the depiction is present in sme merchandise.


      The only thing that is certain is Miku and spring onions... :-/

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    • So you are saying Luka is not a prostitute?, hmm, who would've thought?, that's new for me.

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    • Calm your ham and cheese, everyone~!

      None of the Vocaloids have official ages. Sure, Luka looks like an adult, but she might be a grown-up teenage girl! (Still, on the Project Diva F 2nd Opening 2, she's portrayed as a teacher...whoopsie!) Anyway, Rin and Miku are extremely sexualised, along with Meiko, and they make Len look like a 14-year-old sex maniac who has ladies in bed with him every night! Not to mention they make Kaito look like a pedofile. Sorry for just saying it straight, but I had to say what I had to say.

      Now I'll exit fabulously! *exits fabulously like Hatsune Miku in Look This Way, Baby, then pops headi in door* That song is kind of sexual... *exits non-fabulously*

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    • ^ A handful of Vocaloids do have official ages:

      Luka's official age is 20.

      Miku is 16, Rin and Len are 14.

      Kaito and Meiko don't have official ages.

      Outside of Crypton, Kiyoteru is 22. Yuki is 9. Yukari, Anon, and Kanon are 18. Zunko is 17.

      There are probably more (SeeU and the Chinese Vocaloids all have official ages, I think), but those are the ones I know at the top of my head.

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    • Olliefar wrote:
      ^ A handful of Vocaloids do have official ages:

      Luka's official age is 20.

      Miku is 16, Rin and Len are 14.

      Kaito and Meiko don't have official ages.

      Outside of Crypton, Kiyoteru is 22. Yuki is 9. Yukari, Anon, and Kanon are 18. Zunko is 17.

      There are probably more (SeeU and the Chinese Vocaloids all have official ages, I think), but those are the ones I know at the top of my head.

      • enters fabulously* Oh, sorry! I didn't know that! *facepalm* I'm such a doofus! I've been using Vocaloid since I was 7 (and terrible) but I don't even know their ages! Still, it's bad that Rin and Miku are sexualized when Rin is younger than me, and Miku isn't even an adult yet. And why the heck do they portray Luka that way!? She's 20! So!? When I'M 20 or anyone else, are they going to make me or anyone else into that way? GNNNNEH!
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    • @Goth - Because people can nearly do what they want with the VOCALOIDs?  They can sing sexual songs if the producer wants them to, unless one of the companies explicitly state they're not allowed to have VOCALOIDs sing about that particular topic, which if I recall correctly, only applied to political matters or something?

      Needless to say that the age of consent in Japan is like 13 or something, so sexualizing them isn't surprising.  Not to mention that "If it exists on the internet, there will be sexual content of it".  It's bound to happen.

      Not that I'm justifying any of it, but it's something that's unavoidable.

      "And why the heck do they portray Luka that way!? She's 20! So!? When I'M 20 or anyone else, are they going to make me or anyone else into that way? GNNNNEH!"

      To apply to real life, I'm nearly 20.  I'm not sexual, but that doesn't mean other people aren't.  For VOCALOIDs, people are free to portray them that way because most of them don't have a canon bio.  Luka might not be sexual for me, but she might be for someone else. :|  So trying to say "WHEN I'M 20 AND I WON'T BE LIKE THAT/I AM 20 AND I'M NOT LIKE THAT" is kind of invalid because A. Luka isn't a real living person and B. It might apply to other 20 year olds...

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    • Miku being 16 can get away with some sexualising as in some countries she is the right age to do what she wants (UK for example has a sex age limit of 16).

      To add to Eevee's comment, I'm 31 years old and well over the "being an adult" demographic. True she isn't an adult, but you also can't hold the hands of a teenager forever. Some teenagers grow up sooner then others, either because they matured quicker in body/mind or because they had to grow up fast (like they lost their parents or something). Its not fair to say all teenagers act the same nor to attempt to dictate what they should do.

      If I was to talk about my own experiences, I had a father with a 1800s century mentality about girls... The alternative of being sexualised is also equally as bad as while it keeps your dignity/reputation, it also means you get shoved aside because "nobody seems to want you".

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      Miku being 16 can get away with some sexualising as in some countries she is the right age to do what she wants (UK for example has a sex age limit of 16).

      To add to Eevee's comment, I'm 31 years old and well over the "being an adult" demographic. True she isn't an adult, but you also can't hold the hands of a teenager forever. Some teenagers grow up sooner then others, either because they matured quicker in body/mind or because they had to grow up fast (like they lost their parents or something). Its not fair to say all teenagers act the same nor to attempt to dictate what they should do.

      If I was to talk about my own experiences, I had a father with a 1800s century mentality about girls... The alternative of being sexualised is also equally as bad as while it keeps your dignity/reputation, it also means you get shoved aside because "nobody seems to want you".

      Yeah, you've got a point there. Miku can be sexualised, but it just doesn't look very good with her cute appearance, et cetera.

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    • Some people find "cute" sexual. Innocence can be a form of fetish. Its kinda creepy to think of it, especially with pedophiles around.

      I actually find Miku's appearance myself uninteresting and dull, rather then "cute". "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Then again... I bring up my age and gender as a female... Its just to me, "cute" is something that is more child-like such as Yuki, anything in a teenage bracket isn't cute anymore. Maybe its because of everything we've just discussed being a teenager is about finding a place in the world and setting up your future. Ergo, it represents the transition from "cute child" to "mature adult". So none of the teenagers are "cute" in that respects. a kitten makes me go "aww" more then a lion. ^_^'

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    • I'm pretty sure Len's more sexualized that Luka is

      Or I'm just not listening to the correct songs XD

      And yeah, Miku is just...Her age is the age where you just aren't cute anymore. Plus, twintails doesn't automatically make you cuter... But her being sexualized doesn't feel all that sexy to me either.

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    • Her Outfit design isn't really Quite "Revealing" or 'Skimpy".

      nothing's wrong with Miss Megurine. I fond her a little Attractive not Sexually but I like her Voice,Design and Character.  People tend to see Miku with "Moeness" some sort and Sexualize it but for me i'm not that kind of Fanatic who Thinks miku as a Sex object. well i'm not too famillier with this Fandom cause i do not live at the West. and Judging by Appearance isn't Really Helpful to understand. it's just mearly Clothing Design or Fashion. Making luka as a Slutty Prostetute doesn't Fit her. and i do not see her like that with her outfit. she is more like a Fashion model than a slut to me.

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    • SapphireCosmos wrote: I'm pretty sure Len's more sexualized that Luka is

      Or I'm just not listening to the correct songs XD

      And yeah, Miku is just...Her age is the age where you just aren't cute anymore. Plus, twintails doesn't automatically make you cuter... But her being sexualized doesn't feel all that sexy to me either.

      I am in complete agreement there.

      On the matter of the first topic (Luka), I think she's portrayed as such because of her age, her voice (I guess it's more "seducing"?), and her outfit. I don't feel that way at all, I actually see her as an older sister figure, but it's an...educated guess.

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    • I hate her too ._. There is a big difference between Luka and Len, in many Song, len is a pervert or he dies, in many of lukas songs, she is a bitch or she kills others. Also, her voice is awefull to me, its like someone with a deep voice is trying to sing high ._. Sorry for mah bad english :I

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    • 87.171.196.163 wrote: I hate her too ._. There is a big difference between Luka and Len, in many Song, len is a pervert or he dies, in many of lukas songs, she is a bitch or she kills others. Also, her voice is awefull to me, its like someone with a deep voice is trying to sing high ._. Sorry for mah bad english :I

      There is about 4,000+ Luka, Rin and Len songs each... =_='

      Don't get stuck on the popular ones.

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    • 87.171.196.163 wrote:
      There is a big difference between Luka and Len, in many Song, len is a pervert or he dies, in many of lukas songs, she is a bitch or she kills others.

      Don't forget, the Vocaloids act the way people make them act~

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    • Sir Vancelot wrote: Don't forget, the Vocaloids act the way people make them act~

      Very true. A vocaloid producer can make their vocaloid sing any lyrics that they want them to sing. People can also draw a vocaloid in any way they want. The sexualization of the vocaloids (including Luka) is a side effect of the ownership that we, the fans, can possess over these characters. It's not like Luka is constantly sexualized, or that she's always killing others like anon 87 said. The portrayal of Luka and most of the other vocaloids vary depending on what song you're listening to. After all, vocaloids are meant to be whatever the individual producer or fan wants them to be, very few vocaloids actually have a canonical personality and/or backstory.

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    • At the end of my BURNING MMD video, I wrote:
      Miss Luka-san is beautiful.
      ルカさんは美しいです。

      She is, arguably, the most beautiful of all the Vocaloids.
      彼女はいる、ほぼ間違い、すべてのボーカロイドの中で最も美しい。
      She is sensual, gorgeous, elegant, delicate, feminine...
      官能的な、ゴージャス、上品、繊細、女らしい...
      ...there aren't enough words to describe her.
      彼女を記述するために十分な言葉はありません。

      I have stated before that she is not a sex-toy.
      その彼女が大人のおもちゃではありません前に私が言っています。
      But, since beautiful women have the right to be sexy...
      でも、美しい女性がセクシーになる権利を持っているで...
      ...feelings of lust for her mustn't be denied.
      彼女に向かって欲望の感情、それは拒否することはできません。

      The last three (or six) paragraphs point out what I could loosely call a "fact of life" concerning how we individually view people we adore and/or love....in the case of this thread, how we individually view female Vocaloids.

      I'm sure this debate will continue until the end of time, but I've come to realize some things.  You can feel upset or disgusted if you see your favorite Vocaloid being handled by someone else as a lowly piece of ass; if you hold up someone or something so high, it's only natural to emote negative feelings over how someone mishandles what you hold up so high.  However, the reality is that it's something you can't really dictate, because everybody's different.  Everybody has different feelings of adoration for someone and or something, including different feelings of love and lust.

      As for Miss Luka-san, well, I've posted about her a couple times in this thread.  But I think I'm being truthful when I insist that she is a woman that is likely to arouse feelings of intimacy....an act of lust.  The last post I made in this thread ended with me taking a step back and admitting that if circumstances allowed for it, I'd be happy to snuggle up with her.
      But, this is just my opinion, in before people get on my case saying "She's not a real person!"  Of course she's not a real person, but it's natural for people to develop crushes on fictitious characters.

      Otherwise, other people have already said it before me, that the Vocaloids don't have set canonical backgrounds nor personalities.  Only we can decide for ourselves how we view Vocaloids.  So, just because I see Miss Luka-san as beautiful-yet-fancy doesn't mean anyone else will as well, and most especially is the fact that this can't be policed.  But I have to admit that if I see her in revealing attire, such as a pink leopard-skin bikini, I accept it, based on my opinion that "beautiful women have the right to be sexy", though in retrospect that's a curious hypothesis of mine.  Others can say it's tasteless and disgusting, but again that's conflicts of interests & different definitions of love and lust.

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    • "Miss Luka-san" is a bit redundant.

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    • Tortoiseshel wrote:
      "Miss Luka-san" is a bit redundant.

      Eh; it's a pet-name I've given her in recent years.

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    • "San" is basically like saying a mature "Miss", "Ma'am" or "Ms" in Japanese... Thatis why Tort said its redundant. Your are basically saying "Miss Luka Miss"

      (Edit: Or "miss Luka Ms.", or "Miss Luka ma'am" depending because of the flickle of translating "san", in all cases, the affix is redundant... San is used a little more respectivefully then "chan" which is normally used on younger females or boys or close friends as it is "cuter"... This is kind why there affixes can be difficult to get 100% translated, because of the contest they can be used in is not a single use like "Miss" (mostly unmarried female) nor "Mrs" (usually married female) is suppose to be or "Mr" (male with no higher status).^_^')

      Its like calling a Koi a "Koi carp"... Erm... Koi means "carp"... In other words you just called it "carp carp"...

      It my sound cute, but its very redundant and I wouldn't use it simply because it gives the impression that you don't know Japanese that well. Its like the fans who misuse "desu" which means "that" or "and" (and a few other things). So when yoou use it you make a sentence thats unfinished like saying in English "The boy went to the beach and". "And" what... What? What comes net after "and"??? Its why thereare Japanese who mock western nime fans. Another example is when people use the wrong affix, like using Chan when they should use "san", or using "chan" for a male that should have "kun" at the end.

      Basically... Lets just say Tort's doing you a favor here... Intentional or not... And you should take all of this in. ^_^'

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    • Angel Emfrbl wrote:
      "San" is basically like saying a mature "Miss", "Ma'am" or "Ms" in Japanese... Thatis why Tort said its redundant. Your are basically saying "Miss Luka Miss"

      (Edit: Or "miss Luka Ms.", or "Miss Luka ma'am" depending because of the flickle of translating "san", in all cases, the affix is redundant... San is used a little more respectivefully then "chan" which is normally used on younger females or boys or close friends as it is "cuter"... This is kind why there affixes can be difficult to get 100% translated, because of the contest they can be used in is not a single use like "Miss" (mostly unmarried female) nor "Mrs" (usually married female) is suppose to be or "Mr" (male with no higher status).^_^')

      Its like calling a Koi a "Koi carp"... Erm... Koi means "carp"... In other words you just called it "carp carp"...

      It my sound cute, but its very redundant and I wouldn't use it simply because it gives the impression that you don't know Japanese that well. Its like the fans who misuse "desu" which means "that" or "and" (and a few other things). So when yoou use it you make a sentence thats unfinished like saying in English "The boy went to the beach and". "And" what... What? What comes net after "and"??? Its why thereare Japanese who mock western nime fans. Another example is when people use the wrong affix, like using Chan when they should use "san", or using "chan" for a male that should have "kun" at the end.

      Basically... Lets just say Tort's doing you a favor here... Intentional or not... And you should take all of this in. ^_^'

      I appreciate the concern.....but after all these years it's a hard habit to kill.  All I can say in my defense is that it's an affectionate name I've given for her (or pet-name).

      Though you do bring up a good point, and it got me to thinking....what if a Japanese person heard me use that name?  What if he gets on my case about it?  Hopefully such an event won't happen, but it's still something to think about.  I don't want to make any mistakes when communicating with a Japanese person; months back I said someone's model was a hottie, and he screencapped it and commented, which translated as "My son is not a hottie".  In the end, everything was resolved; he must've thought I said his model was a hot water bottle (which is what is called a hottie), but there were others telling him I may've meant that the model is sexy, which is what I meant.  Though everything ended on a light note, I did feel disturbed, as though I may have pissed him off.  I felt bad.  Japanese are a proud people, you know....or, at least, in all my years of having some affinity with Japan and its historical & cultural elements, I've come to that conclusion.

      But enough about me.  Again, thanks for the heads-up.

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    • And I once had to explain what "pie" meant to a Japanese business man.... But NOT a pastry kind... *rolls eyes*. Back in the Beyblade fandom days of early 2000s. He apologized and said next time he'll ask a guy not a girl as he didn't feel that was appropriate to ask a girl.

      Don't take this the wrong way, but if you want to learn Japanese, you should learnt it. Otherwise, my advice is to get out of this particular habit, I mean no disrespect or what not.

      But this is off topic...

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    • @Angel Emfrbl What exactly does "pie" mean to a Japanese businessman?

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    • Dude. Her outfit isn't even that revealing.

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    • wait whats going on =w= im confused.

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    • Scintillarescenza wrote:
      @Angel Emfrbl What exactly does "pie" mean to a Japanese businessman?

      late but vagina

      good ol' British slang

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    • @Dizzyzebra Is that where the term "blue waffle" came from or is that a different thing?

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    • I believe blue waffle originated from America, but the English language is a mysterious thing.

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    • Pie is more American slang, a lot of British slang that is famous comes form London. A good chunk of the slang is also cockney rhyming slang, but not all of it is rude or blue, things like "give the dog a bone" means "pick up the phone". Though not all slang is from that one part of London.

      (fact; despite popular misconception, you're only a Cockney if you are within a certain area of London, London itself is made up of a dozen or so villages and towns that grew into each other over time, so each area had its own culture" once.. There was a jewish area, for example).

      English so much of a puzzle... The language itself is a mash up of Viking (we, where, were, etc), Celtic, Roman (chest, chestnut, etc), Dutch (old English is very similar, its because a lot of the architectural farming and landscape came out of their country at one stage, and the English used to hire them... The Canvey Island sea wall is Dutch for example), French(William the Bastard conquered England), Saxon, Asian Indian (Pajamas)... As I said before there aren't actually many original English words and the only one I know is "chub" (which is a fish) and its variants like "chubby" (implying yoru as fat as a fish, lol).

      English lesson over.

      I don't think Luka's outfit is the worst offender for revealing flesh... Funny thing is, a man can walk around topless, but a woman can't... Saying that... A woman doesn't like her underwear being looked at, but a bikini is fine and sometimes covers less.

      A lot of it isn't the outfit but just she has a body thats more developed then a number of other vocaloid. :-/

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    • i know this is really mean to most fans out there but seeing vocaloids of ages9-17 as sexual thoughts are just plain out creeps and pedos literally i dont really care what country your from its just plain gross.... especailly if your twice the age as them now if your like 1-2 years older or younger then yea no problem but the sooner you grow up the grosser you will get.... thats my opinion...... but with luka since shes in the age of 20 shes legal im guessing in peoples eyes and they can do whatever they want....but i feel like meiko is dying off cause people make it seems like she...welll... old even she isnt but even though it pisses me off that most people see vocaloid as sexual needs is just plain sad like get a life bruh and get a real girl xD but either that theres nothing you can really do on why people make luka seem like such a slut... but she really isnt and there for isnt a living thing no matter how much i like vocaloid theres the sick and dark people who portrays them like that R.I.P innocent vocaloids

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    • Cuz why not?

      GOSH, I AM TERRIBLE.

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